Posts by carla

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What the new JW light position really is 👍

by ElderBerry in

i’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.

as my fellow elders are.

we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.

carla

Elderberry are just pretending to be so dense?

If someone goes to a church and are agnostic they usually would have no problem saying so. For example, they might say things like; "I am really just here for the social aspect, my wife wants me here with the kids, I enjoy the music, I am agnostic and would like to learn more, I am lonely and this fills a few hours, I'm checking out the men/women, I like the charity work they do, etc... etc..."

Not one of those comments could you say in a kh and NOT have repercussions as many here live on a daily basis. If you went to a normal church and said " I think it is all b.s. (and for long time jw's that does not mean bible study) and there is no God and when we die that's it" nobody would treat you like a leper, keep you away from your children & family or anything. They might think you a bit of a nutter but they might think you are still a pretty good guy, hey, at least you would be honest. Maybe treating you as a fellow child of God in a heartfelt way would do you some good for all, not love bombed so all can see who is the best at it or just for show.

There are no repercussions if you leave a church that is not a cult. How is this so hard for you to understand? that is why you are a hypocrite. You tell people what to believe, how to act you might even sit on a judicial meeting (whatever they are called now) and sit in judgment and affect someone's entire life and that of their family even though you aren't even sure there is a God and you don't mind mere men in NY telling you and everybody else how to live! Are you unable to admit even to yourself that you are a selfish self serving hypocrite live the life of riley while others suffer due to people like you? How do you look at yourself in the mirror? how do you sleep?

I understand staying in for family but at least step down from all so called 'privileges' that can affect a persons life.

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What the new JW light position really is 👍

by ElderBerry in

i’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.

as my fellow elders are.

we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.

carla

A hearty applause for Anony Mouse last post!

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What makes a cult (in the pejorative sense)?

by Vanderhoven7 in

michael moore writes:.

a cult is an organization that enslaves minds and destroys families using cult mind control.

cult mind control involves orchestrated deception, social pressure, psychological abuse, and repetitive indoctrination (brainwashing) centering around an unchallengeable ideology enforced in a totalitarian way in a closed socially-separatist community setting.

carla

What is missing from this post? Elderberry and his 'loving' opinion.

Yes Vanderhoven! if there is no graceful way of leaving you are in a cult. I don't care if you are in a garden club and on half says you deserve to die if you plant x over z and we don't want anything to do with you ever again! guess what? that garden club was a cult.

Most churches and their members would welcome you and wish you to stay but understand the need to move on and wish you well. They would be happy to see you in the store and might even ask if you are happy in your new church but harbor no ill will of your choice. The body of Christ has many parts in most places. Minor disagreements mean nothing in the big picture. Most jw's cannot even understand what I just said, mine can't .

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Brazil Lawsuit- Please Have Them Contact us

by Newly Enlightened in

please, if anyone knows how we can get in touch with ex-jw's who are part of this lawsuit, please have them contact me at [email protected].

we just did a video about some leaked letters from the brazil branch that i want to share with them.

carla

Thanks for sharing.

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What the new JW light position really is 👍

by ElderBerry in

i’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.

as my fellow elders are.

we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.

carla

"The only way someone could criticise those of us who choose JW light is if they claim they definitely know the entire truth and that everyone else is wrong"- that is so blatantly false and ignorant I hardly know what to say. One does not need to know the 'truth' of something to see it is clearly dangerous, false and quite arrogant to say such a thing. Could one compare joining a gang (M13 or equivalent) and say, "you just don't know the truth that we live and why we must act as we do" ? (crimes, beatings, sexual abuses, theft, drugs, prostitution, blood in blood out, etc...you don't understand 'our' truth)

Anony Mous is correct, announce and denounce the actions of the wt publically. If you, in your heart of hearts and ok, let's add reading the perverted wt Bible, find that the blood issue for example is ungodly and unbiblical, say so, go to the hospital when some poor jw is about to lose their child because the wt has said they must sacrifice their child upon the wt altar. Do you do that? no? a bit uncomfortable I suppose and you would lose much in the process. What happened to Jewish people who went against the rules & regulations? they most often were 'unclean' until morning, no shunning, no marking, simply unclean which could be rectified. (possibly bathing, prayer, etc...)

What those of us who are aggravated with the like of your ilk is because you lack integrity and only look to cover your own ass at all costs, even at the expense of someone's actual life.

I find it almost amusing that you use the word 'arrogant' for others. Why? because my jw is the only jw anybody in our family/friends have ever known and since he became a jw that is the word used most to describe his newfound 'religion'. People who loved him so much and such respect now say "I thought he was smarter than that" because they don't understand how cults work. They don't understand that he can look up both sides of any issue except the cult he is in, the jw's.

As a side note I will direct you to the search bar (or go to youtube) and use it to find jw elders/ms who actually did what I and others here have suggested, use your next 'talk' to enlighten the cong to the lies, false prophecies, abuses and so forth. There are a few who come to mind, yes, they were about 20 years ago but they were men of integrity. Men who actually cared about truth, and even some who loved God enough to be honest even if they lost much. Men of true faith. Men who could have actual long conversations about doctrine, policies, etc.... men (or women) you no longer find in the jw org.

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What is this?

by Achille in

this image is from "the watchtower" july 2024 (study edition):i can't figure out what that object is that is between the sleeping apostles.wath is it?

a stick, a scroll of the scriptures?

....

carla

Once there were 3 men who were tasked to bring a very special gift to a queen in a far away land. She had lost her mate and was very sad and grumpy. Due to laws of the land she was not allowed to take another mate. The men stopped at a tavern had a few and then fell asleep on their way. They did not deliver the very special gift from their country to that of the queen. That is why those 2 countries have been at war all these centuries and even to today. Most don't remember the reason for the ongoing wars, but if you have access to the ancient scrolls you will find the story in the secret section of the scrolls.

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What's with the attack (counsel) on husbands with no corresponding article for wives?

by Rattigan350 in

what's with the attack (counsel) on husbands with no corresponding article for wives on the jan 2025 w that is being studied today?.

is there a point to that?.

carla

Please tell me this was not a topic at a regular meeting with kids, grandma and mixed genders?

aaagh! what is wrong with these people?!

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What the new JW light position really is 👍

by ElderBerry in

i’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.

as my fellow elders are.

we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.

carla

Well said Magnum! I saw that same show about foxes! hard to watch.

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What the new JW light position really is 👍

by ElderBerry in

i’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.

as my fellow elders are.

we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.

carla

Thanks.

I understand those who cannot leave, my heart aches for all those stuck in.

Just please, please understand that if you are 'in' living that double life, don't come to a board that has been filled with suicide, abuse and all out heartache on a daily basis telling us how great is that you, in a high position, learned how to game the system and get to live the life of Riley (what ever that really is). Not when there are those here that have truly suffered at the hands/minds of the jw cult. Those who have lost friends due to suicide because of the jw cult, lost children/family due to the blood policy or those who have had to go to great lengths to make sure you didn't. Have you had to explain in spy mode to your family how and why you need to protect chldren/ grandchildren/ nieces/nephews etc... so that your jw will not sacrifice family on the altar of the no blood jw altar? How mainstream people cannot wrap their heads around such a thing? You will become the nutcase because jw's are just a quirky bunch that carry a Bible and speak softly for the most part. Mainstream society doesn't care or want to look behind the curtain.

If you are some sort of spy then good for you and thank you. Take it seriously, because there are those of us who have had to go to great lengths to protect our families and children from the policies of the gb. First we had to learn the absolute insanity of this org and then the language which is completely different than mainstream life and biblical standards. We too have to go undercover to see what is possibly coming next for ourselves and our loved ones, that is why we make our way here and other ex jw boards. We too have helped jw's escape, find lawyers and or find cases that may help with child custody cases or lent an ear and shoulder to someone who doesn't know how to escape.

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What the new JW light position really is 👍

by ElderBerry in

i’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.

as my fellow elders are.

we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.

carla

That is great if those who do that, do it without flaunting how damn easy their life is in the borg. Those who don't flaunt how funny it is that they get to celebrate holidays and do other no-no's that the r & f would be 'removed' or marked for. Can he give me and my family back all the holidays and special occasions with our family over the years or even now? no. Can my jw do as he appears to be able to do because he holds authority of being an elder? no, mine would be flogged and become the congregational leper as would any low level r & f member.

If he has sat on a judicial meeting or whatever they want to call it now and let a known, admitted pedophile back into the cong and society at large knocking on my door and that said pedophile in fact molests/rapes another child then, yes, he is partially responsible and should be held accountable for allowing a pedophile to continue. Especially if he warned parents of the child not to go to the authorities because it will give a jah a bad name as was jw custom for many, many years.

The elders that had a few 'ideas' for my husband.... I hold them fully accountable for their damn ungodly stupid ideas.

You may not understand that when people like jw's or other cults manage to pull someone into their cult it does not only affect that one person. There are many involved, like spouses, children, in-laws, parents, siblings, employment and the list goes on. Not to mention the future and lost opportunities because some elder thought something might be 'bad' idea or a 'good' christian wouldn't do such a thing.

But Elderberry? he apparently can live the 'double life' my jw has talked about and despises. Even he can see the hypocrisy and find it distasteful. But being the 'good' loyal jw he is, he would never believe an elder capable of such a thing. After all, they are appointed by God Himself right? (or the Holy Spirit?) you get the point.

Is my opinion cruel? bitter? perhaps. Do the suicides, rapes, domestic abuses, disfellowshiping/removal and general abuses by jw's ever keep you up at night? they do me.

If the o.p is saying jwlight is ok now then make it ok and say so publically. Please send out the memo so even the older loyal diehards get the new 'light'. Make all our lives as nonchalant and easy breezy like his.

And if you still think I am just being harsh I suggest you read some of the suicide threads and what led up to them due to being a jw or trying to leave. Then come and have a discussion about elders who live double lives while their so called sheep and their families suffer the consequences of them being involved in this insidious cult.

What would happen if all the elders/ms stepped down at one time?