Posts by tmo1965

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Failed bible proficies?

by SickofLies in

watchtower bible and tract society.

1985. life--how did it get here?

brooklyn, ny, pp.

It has been my experience that when people try to disprove the Bible, they are just repeating what they read or were told without verifying the info. Keep in mind too that sometimes when the Bible says something like "utterly destroyed" it is using figures of speech, much like today we may say we have a million things to do.

I know that when some people hear info like this it re-enforces the belief that the Bible is not true, but as time goes on I have found that Bible really is true. For instance, the Bible predicted that in the end times God would gather the Jewish people from all over the world where they were scattered and return them to Israel as their home. It's truly amazing that after ~1800 years, the Zionist movement began, in 1948 Israel was recognized as a sovereign nation, and in 1967 the Jews gained control of Jerusalem. All of this was prophesied over 2000 years before it happened. Also, I can't think of any other group that has returned to claim their "homeland" after so many years. This is a truly miraclious event. There are other passages in the Bible that were impossible to be fulfilled at the time they were written, but are now are possible due to technology. How could anyone predict something that no one could have thought possible at the time except that it's a true prophecy from God.

For example, in Revelation 11:9 it refers to the 2 witnesses who will prophecy in Jerusalem for 3 1/2 years, after which they will be killed:

"For three and a half days men from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial."

Concerning the Ezekiel prophecy you mentioned, there is a cuneform in the British Museum that implies that the prophecy was fulfilled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebuchadnezzar_II_of_Babylon

It would appear that following the pacification of Tyre, Nebuchadrezzar turned again to Egypt. A clay tablet, now in the British Museum, bears the following inscription referring to his wars:

"In the 37th year of Nebuchadrezzar, king of the country of Babylon, he went to Mitzraim (Egypt) to make war. Amasis, king of Egypt, collected [his army], and marched and spread abroad."

Before you write a book on how false the Bible is, you really need to do a lot of research to see if your point of view holds out.

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......"What about the EU?"

by Zone in

i wonder what is the jws take on this orginazation.

some christians, including myself, believe that the eu, notthe un, is the forerunner to the worldwide government (universal currency, parloment, constiution, a few captial cities, etc.

) anythoughts?

tmo1965

Is that belief about the anti christ and the one world government held by many Christian religions? Is it based on the beast 666 of revelation?

As a Christian, I find that there are varying beliefs about how the 1 world govt will come into being. However, they tend to be along the same lines. For instance some believe the UN will bring about the 1 world govt, while others believe it to be the EU. The grounds for believing that the EU will compose the 10 toes is Daniel's prophecies in Dan. 2, 7, and 8, as well as Rev. 13. If you look at the regions of the world that was the Babylonian, Persian, and Greecian empires, the majority of the EU's territory encompases the same area. Likewise, the Roman Empire was composed of most of this same area. However, I still have to consider the possibility that the UN will be catalyst for a 1 world govt. They are working on globalizing the world by economic means, religion, and political. Remember the term "sustainable development". It's being used currently, but I think we will hear much more about it in the near future. Here is an excellent site that has various articles and other info on the UN's involvement is globalization. http://www.contenderministries.org/

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Matthew 24;14--any thoughts?

by Hannah in

first of all, i would like to introduce myself to all of you.

i am new to this board--so hello everyone!

jws are always quoting matthew 24:14 to support their preaching efforts and push their member for more hours (where in the bible is that anyway?).

tmo1965

Introducing The Gospel

(1 Corinthians 15:1-8 )
1 Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand,
2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
5 and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.
6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep;
7 then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles;
8 and last of all, as to one untimely born, He appeared to me also.

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Found out there is a religion EXACTLY like JW'S!! And I mean EXACTLY!

by stillAwitness in

so i was talking to a friend of mine today, who was raised a protestant but it is some fanatical protestant group that is exactly like jehovah's wittnesses.

her religion has basically the same teachings : the paradise, disfellowshipping, marrying "only in the lord" , no college, submissive women; the whole bit!

she was even raised around the same terms like us: holy spirit instead of ghost, the "older ones", worldy, bad association, elders,

tmo1965

It's an interesting phenomenon how many cultic religions came out beginning from the mid 19th century in the USA. Protestantism was fractured into thousands of small and large groups many of them of an extremist nature like the JWs, with strange outlandish beliefs. They say the free masons had a hand in this.

I noticed the same thing. That is very strange indeed. Do you have any links about the masons' part in this?

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Bro PRINCE brings GLORY to JEHOVAH

by DannyHaszard in

single review: prince - "black sweat"

(comment box join in).

blogcritics.org, oh - 4 hours ago.

tmo1965

I was kind of hoping he would be commissioned to rework those horrible kingdumb melodies.

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JW's and the Cross

by Honesty in

why is it so offensive to a jw when a person mentions the cross?

tmo1965

...the point is: "Pagans" crucified him. I don`t think they would take any consideration to the beliefs of the one they were crucifying in the first place

Excellent point. That whole "well the pagans did it so it can't be right" argument is very lame IMO.

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WHO DID JESUS SPEAK TO IN PRAYER?

by PMJ in

jesus spoke to jehovah god in prayer.jehovah being the allmighty god.the nt is centered around jesus.thats true but this does not mean jesus is the one we should worship.surley we should all want to pray to the god jesus prayed two

tmo1965

jesus spoke to JEHOVAH GOD in prayer.jehovah being the allmighty God.the nt is centered around jesus.thats true but this does not mean jesus is the one we should worship.surley we should all want to pray to the God jesus prayed two

PMJ here are a few scriptures for you to ponder over. Who is being called God in the following scriptures? How can we ask Jesus for anything (John 14:13) ?

1 Peter 1:2 2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.
Acts 5:3-4 3 But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land?

4 "While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God."

John 1:1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:18

18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

Hebrews 1:8

8 But of the Son He says,
"YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER,
AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.
9 "YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS;
THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU
WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS."

John 14:7-14 7 "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him."

8 Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us."

9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

10 "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works.

11 "Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves.

12 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father.

13 "Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14 "If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it.

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WHO DID JESUS SPEAK TO IN PRAYER?

by PMJ in

jesus spoke to jehovah god in prayer.jehovah being the allmighty god.the nt is centered around jesus.thats true but this does not mean jesus is the one we should worship.surley we should all want to pray to the god jesus prayed two

tmo1965

BizzyBee

I have seen many supposed contradictions of the Bible. What I have discovered is that the alleged contradictions are not contradictions at all. Apparently, the people who come up with these alleged contradictions don't know the Bible at all. In fact I think the majority of them are just repeating what they heard from somewhere else with little or no knowledge of the scriptures. In order to fnd any real contradictions one must have a full understanding of the scriptures. I get a big laugh out of people point out these "contradictions" to me only find the answer is in the very same chapter and sometimes in the very same verse that the "contradiction" is in. For example the first one on your list: If you read the complete verse of Luke 2:2 you will find that Quirinius was the governer of Syria. If you do a little research on the structure of the government of the Roman Empire and find out who Caesar Augustus was and who Herod was, I am very confident that you will too realize that there is no contradiction between the 2 verses in question.

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How will it be after the WTBTS will have fallen ?

by Genesis in

jw
friends

i sometimes imagine that the wt is destroyed (mental masturbation yeah) and all the people left without hope, sanity and joy.

this will be terrible in itself, if the wt falls suddently i fear a mass suicide.i recall myself thinking that id would rather die that not be in "the truth".

it will be a terrible shock for everybody.

tmo1965

PIPE DREAMS!
IF ANYTHING THE SOCIETY WILL GET STRONGER,NOT WEAKER. I UNDERSTAND MANY OF YOU ON THIS FORUM ARE VERY BITTER BUT DONT LET THAT EFFECT YOUR COMMON SENSE. LOOK AT THE VERY STEADY GROWTH OF THIS MOVEMENT,IT WILL CONTINUE TO GROW AND IT WILL SURVIVE QUITE WELL WITHOUT LEADERS IN NY.
GOOD OR BAD IT IS GODS VISIBLE EARTHLY ORG. YES THEY HAVE MADE MISTAKES,BUT WHO ON EARTH HAS NOT? ARE THEY ALL IMPERFECT HUMANS? YES THERE IS ONLY ONE PERSON WHO CAN MEASURE UP TO THE STANDARDS MOST ON THIS FORUM EXPECT............JESUS CHRIST. I'M CONFIDENT HE APPROVES OF THE WITNESSES AS A WHOLE,HEY YOU NEVER KNOW HE MAY APPROVE OF MOST WITNESSES,AND REJECT THE GB NONE OF US KNOW.
FOOD 4 THOUGHT

Wake up dude. The internet is doing them in. The majority of those getting baptized were born into the org. As soon as they get a few in the front door, more leave out the back. They are fooling you guys. If you back 10 years or so and add up all those who were baptized you should have millions more JWs than you have now.

They are on their way out. All false religions eventually fizzle out, sometimes after a few hundred years, but it does happen. This one will be no different.

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Another concern

by lazuli in

jw
friends

i know i know, i'm so sorry to bug you guys about this but for obvious reasons i can't talk about it with anyone from the congregation and you guys are familiar with the watchtower.

in the watchtower, the woman is expected to be 'chaste.

' so i'm worried that if i decide to marry someone that is a jw if what i did before will be a problem.

tmo1965

It will be expected that you would be candid about your past with your future spouse, and if you're not a virgin they will also expect you to take an STD test. And no, I'm not kidding.

What? !!!