Posts by Fatfreek

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A former poster on JWD needs some help

by AK - Jeff in

in an effort to keep things confidential for a friend, but to provide him with assistance if possible from those who can help, i post this thread.

here is the body of the email that i received today - a follow up from his mention of the same in a phone conversation this weekend.

in an effort to stay 'out of the middle of things', i will forward this thread address to him by email, and i have asked him to watch the thread for your suggestions.

Fatfreek

Hmmm ... I'm glad I'm not the only one.

Some two weeks ago I had a dream where I was at a meeting and one of the elders handed me a talk outline during the WT study. The public talk had been postponed till after the study because the original speaker cancelled. He wanted me to give that talk in less than an hour. Being Mr. Nice Guy, I agreed.

I took the outline and looked it over, seriously thinking about delivering it but only getting nervous because of the time restraint. Then my common sense kicked in and I asked, what am I doing? I don't even believe this BS any more and have been out for 31 years. I woke up from that dream in a cold sweat.

Fact is, perhaps it's based on my real experience of when I had resigned as an elder (not yet as a JW). A couple weeks later and the PO came up to me and asked me to deliver a talk (at that time, public talks were only to be given by elders) I'd already been scheduled to give in neighboring Ames (Iowa). Not quite knowing what to tell him since I was already in the mental process of making my break, I went ahead and gave the talk. It truly was a struggle with my conscience to do it although I don't even remember the topic. That meeting, away from home, was the last one I attended.

Not frequently, but I do have similar dreams with other behavioral problems -- smoking, for one. I find myself deeply inhaling and feeling so good, but guilty. Then I ask myself, why am I risking that addiction again? Then I wake up. It's been nearly 50 years since my last cigarette.

Len

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Ozzie's first post on JWN

by ozziepost in

jw
friends

well, i was curious to see if i still had it in me!.

i've got a thought.

would i rather post here as first choice or there on jwd?

Fatfreek

Sorry, still can't logon to JWN . (Ironically, I managed to do that several days ago, and actually began a thread. JWN gave me some type of error message as I submitted the post. I then went back to JWD to post it again and saw that my JWN-created thread was okay. Go figger.)

Back to my problem: I enter my username, password (yes, I've double checked both). I make sure that Captcha is enabled, and am using Firefox .

I enter those two separate graphic words, although half the time I can't distinguish what they are. There, I intentionally type a few junk characters in order to get a fresh, more legible pair.

I've been through the above some 25 times, with no success, then gave up.

By the way, before enabling Captcha, I was forced into copying a large, multi-line string of random characters, then paste them into a blank field before submitting. Obviously, that didn't work for me either.

Len Miller

ps: Here's hoping JWD stays alive till all this is worked out.

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IMAGE: The Ham Sandwich Blood Policy

by V in

i have always thought the "ham sandwich" was an apt simile for the jw policy of allowing blood fractions but not whole blood.

i created the graphic below to illustrate this in the watchtower comments video "question jws: blood" (see below).. i had a request for this image and thought i would share it with you all.

right-click to download.

Fatfreek

What a great illustration, V. Thanks for sharing. By extension, I thought a bit of GIF animation may be helpful to some.

Oops, I thought I could post here but JWD won't accept Firefox GIF's. Here's the link to the one I loaded to Photobucket.

Len

Oops, here's the long link below. Just copy it to your URL field. http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u92/millerlr/JWBloodHamwichDilemna.gif

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Banned expressions= Pioneers abused me for saying "that sucks or peeved"!

by Witness 007 in

yes as a young man on 20 out witnessing with the special pioneers one brother said his bible study wasn't home...."oh that sucks" said i......well, you would have thought i said "that sucks balls" three pioneers completely freak out and as a "trinity" start telling me off...i didn't think it was a swear word....anyone else?.

once the c.o used the term "peeved off" during his talk...well, everyone did research on the word to see if it was the same as "pissed off.

".

Fatfreek

This just in -- it's okay to use the substitute word Bleeping for Effing but only in a fit of frustration. Thank you, governor of Illinois, Rod Blagojevich.

Hey, it's all right to just go ahead and use Effing if you wish although it may not be as effective from the platform.

Len

Do what they don't -- and don't what they do!

by Fatfreek in

aginner .

a person who takes the opposite opinion to others regardless the benefit or harm to themselves.

persons marked with oppositional defiant disorder.. that, from urbandictionary.com, fairly well explains the perception by many people as they examine certain beliefs of jehovah's witnesses.

Fatfreek

aginner
	A person who takes the opposite opinion to others regardless the benefit or harm to themselves. Persons marked with Oppositional Defiant Disorder.

That, from urbandictionary.com, fairly well explains the perception by many people as they examine certain beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Try to have a JW explain, for example, the biblical basis of standing or not standing during the playing of the national anthem. I understand that there are certain criteria that allows for each. Better yet, watch a child's face as his JW parent tries to explain these differences. It's been a few years back for me and I can only imagine the confusion in my 4 boys.

Advice from leadership is to "arrive a little late" in order to avoid that scenario is, in my view, a copout. I call it "fear of men". "Sit in the principal's office", is another.

Interestingly, I can't find anything in print (WT Library CD) as regards what or what not to do during the playing of the national anthem.

Len

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The Watchtower is blasphemy!

by sacolton in

the watchtower reprints, december 1, 1916,. p.6015.

charles taze russell, thou hast, by the lord, been.

crowned a king; and through the everlasting ages.

Fatfreek

Great find, BluesBrother. I can't tell you how many times I heard that "some looked to Brother Russell as the Faithful Slave", as if it were some kind of gossipy heresay, as if they were weak brothers and sisters -- bystanders even.

Your scan, however, clearly sources the "some" group. It was the WT Society at that time, that's who.

To think I, at one time, bought all this rubbish -- hook, line, and stinker.

Len

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JWs and National Oaths of Allegiance Expose' by Marvin Shilmer-Please Read

by AndersonsInfo in

the following three paragraphs are part of a startling new essay written by a well-respected poster on jwd.

he spent much time and money to gather proof of duplicity on the part of watch tower leaders.

marvin shilmer (not his real name) has given permission for me to put his entire essay on my website, www.watchtowerdocuments.com.

Fatfreek

Thanks Barbara for sharing, Marvin for originating. Thanks to you too, Farkel, for your great perspective as well.

This is big.

As I see it, it may be important to the lurker JW to get his own certified copy of one or more of these passport applications. To the hardcore Jw the one attached to the essay could have been forged.

Therefore, my question (Barbara, Marvin?) is how many dollars (you say considerable expense) would it take to get one?

Len Miller

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Advice please - phone service

by Dagney in

jw
friends

okay, i am being s*****d by att without a kiss.

so, has anybody used vonnage or the like?

and how does it work?

Fatfreek

I've read the specs on Magic Jack and still have this question. Suppose we're on the road -- like we are now. We live in Arkansas but have spent the night in Ottawa, On; Moncton, NB; Portland, Me, Boston, Mass. -- you get the idea. Could we use Magic Jack on my laptop as long as we have fast connection? Most motels, like the one we're mostly in, have such speed.

Do we simply take a land phone with us on the road? Cell phone work with this?

Len Miller

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Flora in New England, New Brunswick is beautiful. What is it?

by Fatfreek in

we're on a sightseeing tour and just passed through new brunswick, pei, nova scotia, and maine.

my question is about what we've been seeing for the past week or so.

one local called it a fern of some type.

Fatfreek

any possibility that it's cranberries? I was in Maine and Mass at the end of the season a couple of years ago, and it looked something like that. I have no idea really, it just impressed me at the time.

I doubt it. As a native of Mass. I know that most are level bogs that are bordered by canals for irrigation. These fields can be sloping.

Oooooh blueberries????

I bellieve you nailed it. I searched Google Images and found several images under Low Bush Blueberries. Wiki confirmed it under its description.

Thanks to all. We can now rest easy in our motel room south of Boston.

Len

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Flora in New England, New Brunswick is beautiful. What is it?

by Fatfreek in

we're on a sightseeing tour and just passed through new brunswick, pei, nova scotia, and maine.

my question is about what we've been seeing for the past week or so.

one local called it a fern of some type.

Fatfreek

We're on a sightseeing tour and just passed through New Brunswick, PEI, Nova Scotia, and Maine. My question is about what we've been seeing for the past week or so. One local called it a fern of some type. Below, I'll paste a view of what it looks like from a distance and from close. Thanks, Len Miller.