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  JW Membership Stats in 1920s and 1930s

  by JW_Researcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  greetings and happy new year!

  i have been looking on the net, through old year books, etc.

  but have not been able to locate the membership statistics for the jws in the 1920s and 1930s.

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  Fatfreek

  Oh, here's another Amazon feature -- concordance. When you click that, it brings up the following:
  
  Concordance (learn more)
  These are the 100 most frequently used words in this book.
  
  1933 activities against american article association berlin bible book camps case catholic christ christian church concentration convention country das declaration den der des die document during even facts first following general german germany god government great groups history hitler however ibid ist jehovah jehovas jesus jewish jews kingdom leaders letter magdeburg may members men mit movement name national nations nazi new now number officials organization page people persecution property published reich religion religious rutherford see society stand state stated statement students time tion tower true two und united von war watch wir witnesses word work world yearbook years york zu
  
  These are all hyperlinked words when at Amazon. I clicked on "Rutherford" and got the following page of context hyperlinks. I only pasted a half dozen below:
  
  165 pages with references to rutherford in this book:
  1. on Page 1:
  "... of these principles and will give the people peace and prosperity and the greatest desire of every honest heart. J.F. Rutherford, Declaration of Facts, June 1933 Jehovah's Witnesses loudly proclaim that among all the Christian move- ments in Germany during the ..."
  2. on Page 2:
  "... linked doctrines caused a major schism in the Bible Student movement.' For a time, Russell's immediate successor, Judge Joseph Franklin Rutherford, followed in his footsteps. In 1926 he wrote a short book, Comfort for the Jews, in which he claimed that ..."
  3. on Page 3:
  "... 1917, the Balfour Declaration,7 the British Palestinian Man- date, and the settlement and development of Palestine by Jewish chaluzim (pioneers). Rutherford enthused: 'Have these things come about by chance? Can any Jew who is familiar with the history of his people, ..."
  4. on Page 1:
  "... Jews have received more attention at their hands than they really have deserved.9 In another place in the same volume, Rutherford was more blunt. Referring to the commercial organizations of Great Britain and America, which collectively he called 'a special division ..."
  5. on Page 2:
  "... Reich to the sceptical eye, however, that he had other reasons for making such a dramatic doctrinal switch. Unlike Russell, Rutherford really did not like Jews. Although he followed Russell in publicly support- ing Zionism for many years after Russell's death, ..."
  6. on Page 3:
  "... come to power in Germany - which they in fact did, on 30 January 1933. So it seems likely that Rutherford was anxious to dissociate Jehovah's Witnesses from the Jewish community in any way possible. However, that can- not excuse what ..."
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  JW Membership Stats in 1920s and 1930s

  by JW_Researcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  greetings and happy new year!

  i have been looking on the net, through old year books, etc.

  but have not been able to locate the membership statistics for the jws in the 1920s and 1930s.

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  Fatfreek

  Go to Amazon.com, enter the name of the book in the proper field, then click on the book's icon. It will reveal that it is one that has been scanned and will present you with an icon to "Look Inside". Hover over that icon and you will then see a menu of choices -- Index, table of contents, search, etc.
  
  I searched for the word "memorial". There were 15 hits, each with a hyperlink to the context and page with that link. However, you have to be signed in for that priviledge (it's free).
  Fats
  
  15 pages with references to memorial in this book:
  1. on Page 34:
  "... the historians: Christine King, now the vice-chancellor of Staffordshire University in England; Detlef Garbe, director of the Neuengamme Concentration Camp Memorial in Ger- many; and the late Sybil Milton of the Holocaust Museum in Wash- ington, D.C. Significantly, King comments in ..."
  2. on Page 59:
  "... Yearbook, 109-10, tells that in the spring of 1933, a total of 24,843 persons were present at the Witnesses' annual memorial celebration in comparison with 14,453 the year before, and the number of 'publishers' or door-to-door preachers had risen from 12,484 ..."
  3. on Page 98:
  "... announced that it had received reports that at least 90,434 had attended the Bible Students' spring annual celebration of the Memorial of the Lord's Supper.23 When nothing spectacular happened in 1925, many were disillusioned and drifted away. What makes this fact ..."
  4. on Page 99:
  "... Rutherford's New Nation 107 people were present at the Memorial.24 The Watch Tower Society, in evident embarrassment, stopped publishing Memorial attendance sta- tistics for many years. The failure of Rutherford's ..."
  5. on Page 105:
  "... Students in 1925. According to the Society's published statistics, there were nearly 100,000 Watch Tower adherents at the spring, annual Memorial of the Lord's Supper, and there were 106,137 door-to-door Jehovah's Witness 'pub- lishers' or preachers throughout the world.45 In building ..."
  6. on Page 133:
  "... prison camp uniforms in the Niederhagen bei Wewelsburg concentration camp. (Wachtturm Gesellschaft History Archive. Courtesy of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, USHMM) ..."
  7. on Page 144:
  "... spring of 1933 they grew from 12,484 to 19,268 in the numbers of actual door-to-door preachers or 'publishers.' Their spring Memorial attendance grew from 14,453 to 24,843 over the same period."' More important, this small band was distributing Rutherford's pronounce- ments ..."
  8. on Page 158:
  "... out earlier, the 1974 Yearbook tells that in the spring of 1933, 24,843 people were present at the Witnesses' annual Memorial celebration, in comparison with 14,453 the year before, and the number of 'publishers' or door-to door preachers had risen from ..."
  9. on Page 163:
  "... their Witness brethren in Germany not to engage in door-to- door preaching and not even to gather for the yearly Memorial of Christ's death.' When Rutherford became aware of what they had said in court, he was furious and summarily disfellowshipped ..."
  10. on Page 201:
  "... among them which meant that, with some exceptions, only the most zealous reached the camps. If, by taking the 1933 Memorial attendance count, there were nearly 25,000 of them in Germany in the spring of 1933, and if more were added ..."
  11. on Page 225:
  "... Since 1996 Slupina has been in charge of the German Watch Tower Society's public affairs division for schools, education, and memorials for Holocaust victims. He starts his essay with a bold statement that is patently false. He says: 'The National Socialists ..."
  12. on Page 230:
  "... former brethren at his own children's funeral. Kostelniuk relates with pain what happened: We had looked forward to attending a memorial for Kim [his first wife] and the children that was being held in a large Kingdom Hall in Burnaby [British ..."
  13. from Back Matter:
  "... Yearbook of Jehovah's Witnesses, from 1932 to the spring of 1933 they grew from 12,484 to 19,268, and their spring Memorial attendance grew from 14,453 to 24,843 over the same pe- riod.2 Of course, what this means is that the total ..."
  14. from Back Matter:
  "... Press, 2001. Berenbaum, Michael. The World Must Know: The History of the Holocaust as Told in the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. Boston: Little, Brown and Company, 1993. Bergman, Jerry. Jehovah's Witnesses: A Comprehensive and Selectively Annotated Bibliography. Westport, CT: Greenwood ..."
  15. from Back Cover:
  "... STUDIES. UNIVERSITY OF CALGARY COVER I'fl011)GRA1'flS Concentration camp badge bearing purple triangle worn by Jehovah's Witnesses. Courtesy United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. Group portrait of liberated Jehovah's Witnesses in their prison camp uniforms at the Niederhagen bei Wewelshurg concentration camp. Wachtturm ..."
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  My letter of annulment. LOL I am going to tell everyone it worked.

  by jwfacts in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have posted below my letter of annulment for anyone that wants to use it.

  they said that they would not honour it because i was baptised for too long and had entered pioneering and bethel.

  however, i know of several people where annulment did work, but generally if they were baptised for only a couple of years and had not accepted 'privileges".

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  Fatfreek

  Jwfacts,
  
  My heart aches for you and the anguish you've gone through lately. Most of us have gone through similar. We're with you.
  
  However, I'm puzzled. Unless I misread your post, did they not tell all from the platform that your are no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses? You said, "BTW - A few people have not understood if I am d/f or not, it seems the new announcement " XXX is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses" is confusing the brothers."
  
  What's confusing? Blondie cited some WT publication, not long ago, where that is exactly the language they now use from the platform. They no longer say so-and-so is disfellowshipped. Or so-and-so has disassociated himself. They simply say that "so-and-so is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses?" Plain and simple, like it or not. I'm guessing that their legal team put them up to this less direct approach. You know, avoid the litigation thing. But that's just a guess.
  
  The audience then takes that new expression (a "coded" instruction to shun) and runs with it the same as with the old announcements. "That's our signal to shun so-and-so, as they wink-wink to each other". Just because others in the audience are confused about the announcement doesn't change the outcome.
  
  Not long ago, Seeker4 in his 500th post here detailed another excellent letter, by the way, not of disassociation but in a similar vein as yours. Check it out: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/91719/1.ashx
  
  He suspected that since he'd been gone for more than ten years that they would leave him alone. We all rooted for him. However, he confirmed recently that they made the new announcement about him. I somewhat know his feelings as yours about this. It's not fair and I oughta take them to court for slandering my good name in public view. As Quotes learned less than a month ago, they have extremely deep pockets and a big team of built-in lawyers.
  
  Of course you can make overtures to the JW's you come in contact with. That's your right as a citizen of this fine country, no thanks to them. It's called free speech. And some of them may reciprocate. I think that's great, of course. But for the most of them who understand the new code, expect the shunning.
  
  Welcome, Jwfacts, to the club. We're always here for you, rain or shine.
  
  Fats
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  Circuit Overseer Celebrities?

  by Delboy222 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am a active jw, but one question i would like to know is why do these 'men' get treated as superstar celebrities when they attend the congregation?.

  for as long as i can remember, there seems to be a 'buzz of excitement' when it is announced that he and his wife are due to visit.

  what is so special about them?.

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  As I read all your posts it brings back memories from nearly 30 years ago when I left the Borg. However it all appears to be simple human nature.
  
  For example, my wife attends the local Church of Christ (Locust Bayou, AR) and about twice a year they have what they call "special meetings", from Sunday through Wednesday. I have heard the word "revival" mentioned but I don't know that is an official term. Their Circuit Overseer equivalent is the featured preacher, stays in a motel that is financed by the local church. He is a regular preacher from a nearby Texas town and does this special meeting thing several times a year. I understand attendance at his meetings are about double from what their regular meetings draw.
  
  During the day, he and his wife are guests for all meals at various homes. Our home is always one of those and I can testify to the first-class meals. I suspect they also want to impress this non-believer (me). After the meals, they visit for awhile, then he takes one or two of the locals and pays visits to the sick or weak. At night they have their 2-hour-long meetings.
  
  Yes, he is viewed (especially by the women) as one to be nearly worshipped.
  
  Fats
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  Grammar anyone?

  by Fatfreek in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i posted something earlier today and wasn't real comfortable with my sentence construction.

  so here are two sentences for you.

  is either not correct?

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  Fatfreek

  This, from GrammarStation.com (they let you input a sentence that is up to 25 words in length).
  
  *** Begin GrammarStation
  A complex sentence has at least 2 clauses (a main clause; a dependent clause) connected by a 'subordinating conjunction'.
  
  The conjunction 'If' is the 'Condition' subordinator.
  
  The main clause of your sentence 'we could work together' is in the simple past with modality.
  
  Therefore, the possible tense for the subordinating clause is the unreal conditional (hypothetical probability of action).
  *** End GrammarStation
  
  There -- I knew they would clear it all up. Oh, and by the way, I entered both sentences and got the same answer from them.
  
  Honestly, I will treasure all your answers far more than that tangled mess of verbiage.
  
  Fats
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  JW a great chess player

  by Fatfreek in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i found this link interesting.

  it shows arkansas chess rankings in order of highest to lowest ranking.

  (if my name was on the list you could look for it at or near the bottom) .

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  Yeah, MWC.
  
  I got out in the late 70's and don't remember chess having such a negative spin. Dad and I sure had some great moments together on opposite ends of the board. I have heard they've since developed a negative opinion about chess and its war-producing tendencies.
  
  This Umbarger lad must not be paying attention -- and I can't say I blame him.
  
  Fats
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  Circuit Overseer Celebrities?

  by Delboy222 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am a active jw, but one question i would like to know is why do these 'men' get treated as superstar celebrities when they attend the congregation?.

  for as long as i can remember, there seems to be a 'buzz of excitement' when it is announced that he and his wife are due to visit.

  what is so special about them?.

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  Hey, DelBoy -- welcome from our side of the pond. "I have lost my love for the truth, but never for Jehovah God. But it does seem if you are not a pioneer or struggling in some way that people look down on you." Don't be so hard on yourself. You don't really believe that you've lost love for truth, do you? Perhaps, yes, for "the truth" as the arrogant ones see it. Keep your thinking cap on. You're on the right track. Fats
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  Grammar anyone?

  by Fatfreek in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i posted something earlier today and wasn't real comfortable with my sentence construction.

  so here are two sentences for you.

  is either not correct?

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  Fatfreek

  I posted something earlier today and wasn't real comfortable with my sentence construction. So here are two sentences for you. Is either not correct? Or are both of them correct?
  
  If I was there we could work together.
  
  If I were there we could work together.
  
  I found GrammarStation.com and placed them, one at a time, into the test field -- then got some kind of complex response that I couldn't follow.
  
  I then tried my Word 2003 and it didn't reject either of them. What do you think?
  
  Fats
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  JW a great chess player

  by Fatfreek in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i found this link interesting.

  it shows arkansas chess rankings in order of highest to lowest ranking.

  (if my name was on the list you could look for it at or near the bottom) .

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  I found this link interesting. It shows Arkansas chess rankings in order of highest to lowest ranking. (if my name was on the list you could look for it at or near the bottom)
  
  http://www.angelfire.com/ar3/aca/ratings.htm
  
  Number 6 from the top is Lance Umbarger, a contemporary to my sons (some 44 years old) who manages (with his Mom and Dad) Beauty World in NW Arkansas.
  
  He is a JW, if my sources are correct. When in the Borg, we all attended the KH in Rogers back in the early 70's. His Dad and I worked at Daisy, the BB gun place. Lance's folks are JW, also.
  
  Fats
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  Mark Furhman/Barbara Anderson Radio Interview on Real Audio

  by Dogpatch in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  thanks to danny haszard you can listen to the 75 minutes of interview with barbara anderson and linda john by the famous mark furhman from his mark furhman radio show (in four parts) from this link:.

  http://www.dannyhaszard.com/cultvideos.htm#barb.

  just click on one of the four parts to listen to it.

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  Fatfreek

  Hmmm ... I clicked on the Mark and Barbara interview -- after downloading a fresh Real Player update. Sadly, got the following:
  
  RealMedia File Format: File "mfurhman3.rm" does not support playback over linear file systems (e.g. HTTP 1.0).
  
  Fats