Posts by Fatfreek

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Suggestions for "The Internet" defense ... roadblock?

by gordon d in

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wanderer reminded me of an answer that i frequently get when confronting dubs with information obtained through the internet.

even if it's a scan of a wts publication, the typical dub seems to be well schooled in refusing to give any credibilty to anything that comes from a website other than watchtower.org.

has anyone had any luck finding more "credible" sources for info?

Fatfreek

Good script, CyrusThePersian.

There was one hiccup, however. Either they've changed something or you had a typo. At 'Click on "Relative Documents and Events", replace Relative with Relevant.

Fats

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I am now a R.V! Help me with questions to ask please

by awol in

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2 lovely ladies knocked today.

i wasn't offered the new tract, but after they asked me about the state of the world and how i felt about god etc, i asked them in.

(i fell away 10 plus yrs ago and was baptised.

It all may be as simple (you want to keep it simple) as the difference between two words and their opposite meanings, objective and subjective.

Objective: undistorted by emotion or personal bias; based on observable phenomena; "an objective appraisal"; "objective evidence"

Subjective: as opposed to objective, full of personal emotions and feelings.

Knowing this, you may choose to stay away from subjective things, things subject to interpretation. e.g. Bible scriptures, Bible history such as the topic of 607, any fulfillment of prophecy (or not). By staying away from these you are keeping off their favorite turf. They are experts in interpretation, they love to spin.

Objective things are like box scores of sporting events, things that cannot be argued. "The Cowboys won yesterday" (true), "President Kennedy was assassinated" (true).

"...1925 shall mark the resurrection of the faithful worthies of old...". Millions, p.97. (a statement of prediction)

"Certainly they have not returned. No one has seen them, and it would
be foolish to make such an announcement. It was stated in the 'Millions' book that we might reasonably expect them to return shortly after 1925, but this was merely an expressed opinion; besides it is still shortly after 1925..." WT 1926, p.196. ("merely an expressed opinion" is an obvious lie)

Fats

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I am now a R.V! Help me with questions to ask please

by awol in

jw
friends

2 lovely ladies knocked today.

i wasn't offered the new tract, but after they asked me about the state of the world and how i felt about god etc, i asked them in.

(i fell away 10 plus yrs ago and was baptised.

Fatfreek

awol:
Someone tell me how to get them to tell me about the history. All they said was: we are the oldest religion and have been around since adam and eve!!! ..... oh right.... and .............

that is it. what do I say to that?

Please refer to my first post and Cameron's suggestion: ask for a history study first

Fats

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I am now a R.V! Help me with questions to ask please

by awol in

jw
friends

2 lovely ladies knocked today.

i wasn't offered the new tract, but after they asked me about the state of the world and how i felt about god etc, i asked them in.

(i fell away 10 plus yrs ago and was baptised.

Fatfreek

The quality of WT dishonesty has always been my favorite. That way there's no argument as to interpretation. You don't even need to crack open a Bible.

"...really, would you want to be even associated with a religion that had not been
honest with you?" Is This Life All There Is?,1974, page 46.

While there are many examples of dishonesty in their own words (attempts to coverup certain things) my favorite is the 1925 debacle. The beauty of this, for argument sake, is they can't say it's old news since they, themselves, resurrected and rejuvinated this coverup in the 1975 yearbook, some 50 years later. For more details, check out this Dear Mother letter (a letter to the Governing Body).

http://users.oeccwildblue.com/millerlr/DearMother.pdf

Fats

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I am now a R.V! Help me with questions to ask please

by awol in

jw
friends

2 lovely ladies knocked today.

i wasn't offered the new tract, but after they asked me about the state of the world and how i felt about god etc, i asked them in.

(i fell away 10 plus yrs ago and was baptised.

Fatfreek

"Captives of a Concept", a book (less than $20) by Don Cameron, says that one who is considering a Bible study with Jehovah’s Witnesses should "...ask for a history study first in order to find out if this is in fact the organization that Jesus appointed to teach the Bible to the rest of mankind." He suggests, "... those who do a history study first don’t ask for a Bible Study later."
The history book? Their own "Proclaimers of God’s Kingdom", The Book of Watchtower History. How can the conductor argue against it?
Don doesn’t feel the book is as candid about their history as it should be, but that there’s plenty of embarrasing ammunition for the critic within its pages.
Fats

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So, was there ever a big announcement?

by TweetieBird in

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i don't get to check this board too often and if it has already been discussed, i apologize.

just curious if there was ever a big announcement.

if so, can someone post the link?

Fatfreek

From Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eschatology_of_Jehovah's_Witnesses

^ "If in obedience to the divine command the Jonadabs or great multitude will marry and rear children after Armageddon, would it not be Scripturally proper for them to begin doing so immediately before Armageddon? and should the Jonadabs now be encouraged to marry and rear children? No, is the answer, supported by the Scriptures." November 1 1938 Watchtower, p. 323. Scan available at: http://www.davidgladden.com/jw/Docs/MARRIAGE.pdf

Oh -- you were asking about 1990? Sorry. I suspect, however, it was the same old song. What do you think?

Fats

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What are your favourite free computer apps? Media Players, Office ...

by kwintestal in

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i just got a new computer and am setting it up and wondering what suggestions/reviews anyone can give for computer applications other then the traditional microsoft ones that come with the computer.

i have a ton more ram now (going from 256 to 2gb) and can do a few more things then i could before (like something other then running the os).. has anyone tried the openoffice.org suite?

i'd also like a media player other then windows media player, any suggestions?

Fatfreek

Google Earth

Cute PDF Writer

Avira classic anti virus program

Simple OCR (optical character recognition)

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What scary stories were you told?

by sundawn77 in

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i'm new here; i "faded away" 3 years ago.

i'll tell my story soon when it's not so hard to think about.. i'm just wondering what stories other people were told about demons that ensured that nobody watched scary movies or listened to certain music (in my case, stevie nicks, go figure).

elders and my friends' parents, and other kids in the congregation all had stories of people watching movies and waking up to see a demon in their room!

Fatfreek

Ah yes, Stevie Nicks. A few years ago on my way to work -- yes, it was this time of year -- I heard her on my car radio with a rendition of "Silent Night".

I normally don't get caught up emotionally with vocalists but when I got to work I had tears coming down my cheeks. Her performance on this number is so throaty and with so much soul, I would have to rate it number 1 of all the renditions I've heard. I vowed I would somehow get that track -- but haven't kept that vow.

Guess what I'm going to Google for after I post this?

Fats

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What can 25,000 members on this board do?

by The wanderer in

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what can 25,000 members on this board do?have you ever wanted to do something really great and re-.

ceive recognition for it?

one thing that many of us on this board have in common is .