Posts by Ellie

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would you let your child associate with Jehovahs Witnesses?

by Ellie in

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i'm the only one of my family who is not in 'the truth', and my family don't want anything to do with me.. however, today my mum asked me if she can take my 2 year old to visit the rest of the family, i'm not invited and wouldn't be welcome at any of their houses, so she would be taking my daughter alone.. i told her i would think about it.. i really don't think it would be practical because my daughter is not familiar with the family and i don't want her to be upset.. but the main reason |'m thinking of saying no is that i feel offended that i am not good enough for them to speak to.. am i being selfish if i say no?

Ellie

Hi Flower,

I think you are making a very good point and this is something I am struggling with.

I feel hurt and quite angry towards them because they are disowning me, but I don't want to let my own feelings get in the way and influence my decision on whether my daughter should see her family, I might have issues with the way they treat me but they are still her family and she deserves to have them in her life.

However, I am going to take practically everybodys advice here and insist that I am present when they see her, that way I can stop the risk of them trying to teach her about their beliefs.

I know that I can't predict the future and so I don't know if they would try to indoctrinate her or turn her against me but its better to be safe than sorry, also as there are always different congregation members around who I do not know I have to think about the posibility of abuse, I would not let her go into the home of a stranger and stay over night so while I am not accusing any of my family members or their friends of child abuse I have to asume it is a possibility and protect her.

I have come to the decision that she can see them on my terms, and that is that either myself or my partner are present and that she recieves no bible studies.

Thanks to everyone who has replied.

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What's Your Opinion of Putting Spy Cameras On City Streets?

by minimus in

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the new york post has an article on how the police commissioner plans on having spy cameras put in certain city streets that have high crime activity----not to monitor activity as it's happening but to review footage if a crime did occur in the area---after the fact.________what's your thought on this?

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Ellie

Another example of the usefullensss of cctv is this.

What if you were walking down a quiet backstreet, some thug comes along and for no reason stabs you, there is nobody around to get help and you are in no position to get help yourself.

A monitored camera witnesses the attack and calls an ambulance, thus saveing your life.

This is not a hiperthetical situation, it happened.

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found a bunch of jw books

by embeth2525 in

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my daughter is cleaning out the spare bedroom and found a box of my old jw books, so i began looking through them...agggggg!

those terrible pictures of paradise with the women wearing high heeled shoes!!

ugg why would anyone wear high heeled shoes in the grass.

Ellie

you should keep them to remind yourself of why you are no longer a witness

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JW's Are Footstep Followers of Jesus Christ

by Honesty in

because the watchtower says they are but so far, i haven't seen any tangible evidence from any jehovah's witness i've ever met even when i was a jehovah's witness.

does anyone have solid proof the jw's are doing the things jesus did such as feeding the poor, nursing the sick (baptist, methodist, catholic, presbyterian hospitals are everywhere and are supported in part by donations from christian groups), providing spiritual refreshment to the soul, etc.?.

maybe i'm just not looking in the right places to see any evidence supporting the wtbts's claims that they are christians and following in jesus' footsteps.

Ellie

I'm going off the subject a little here but following on from what Lawrence said about being poor and watching the elders drive past while walking on the ministry.

A few years ago when I was studying (I was 16 at the time, still at school and working a weekend waitressing job) I took an elder and his wife out for a meal at a nice restaurant, I saved up for ages and was really happy to pay for their meals.

My mum who was disfellowshipped at the time kicked up such a fuss about it, how she wasn't going to let them take advantage of a kid, I couldn't see her point of view at the time, but I can now.

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What's Your Opinion of Putting Spy Cameras On City Streets?

by minimus in

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the new york post has an article on how the police commissioner plans on having spy cameras put in certain city streets that have high crime activity----not to monitor activity as it's happening but to review footage if a crime did occur in the area---after the fact.________what's your thought on this?

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Ellie

I understand that there are more effective ways of fighting crime and I agree with you, however I do not think they should be at the disclusion of cctv, 'the camera does not lie' as they say.

To be honest I havn't heared about the facial recognition technology that you are talking about, but I would welcome it even if it meant that Gaz would be tracked.

as it is at the momment he is wearing an electronic tag around his leg, he is on a curfew and if he breaks his curfew the tag will alert the police and depending on the circumstances he could be recalled to prison.

This is actually a good thing in my opinion because if a crime where to be committed and the police suspected him due to an accusation or he fitted the description, the tag would actually prove that he was at home at the time (providing the crime where to occur during his curfew hours).

I do not worry about loosing privacy, after all, if you are not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about.

Somebody mentioned earlier something about DNA being taken from babies and kept on a database, I also think this is a good idea.

As I said, anything to help prevent crime is welcome in my eyes.

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What's Your Opinion of Putting Spy Cameras On City Streets?

by minimus in

jw
friends

the new york post has an article on how the police commissioner plans on having spy cameras put in certain city streets that have high crime activity----not to monitor activity as it's happening but to review footage if a crime did occur in the area---after the fact.________what's your thought on this?

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Ellie

I can see your point EvilForce and I do agree with you, he committed the crime and so he had to pay for it, its his own fault that he took all the rap leaving his so called friends to walk away laughing.

I guess I am just too personaly involved with this issue, it wasn't just him who was punished, I had to try to explain to my daughter that her daddy had gone on 'holiday' and wouldn't be home for a while, I had to call his mum to tell her that her only son had been sent to prison for 14 months, try to explain to my very judgemental Jehovahs Witness family that what he had done was out of character.

But my heart also goes out to victims of crime who can't for one reason or another identify their attackers and so have to live with the knowledge that the person who has assaulted/robbed/raped them is walking free, when they the victims are serving a sentence of fear.

I just think the more crime prevention and detection the better, and to say no to cctv just because you feel that in some way it might jeapodise your privacy is ludicrous.

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What's Your Opinion of Putting Spy Cameras On City Streets?

by minimus in

jw
friends

the new york post has an article on how the police commissioner plans on having spy cameras put in certain city streets that have high crime activity----not to monitor activity as it's happening but to review footage if a crime did occur in the area---after the fact.________what's your thought on this?

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Ellie

Please don't get me wrong, I am not a criminal or a criminally minded person, I have never committed an offence in my life and do not for one second condone my partner for what he did.

I believe that criminals should be sent to prison for much harsher sentences than judges are dishing out at the momment and I do not agree with the 'holiday camp' approach that prison govenors like to promote.

What I am saying is that cameras should be used on the streets to detect crime, during and after it has taken place, and help ensure that ALL criminals are punished, not just the ones that choose to confess.

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What's Your Opinion of Putting Spy Cameras On City Streets?

by minimus in

jw
friends

the new york post has an article on how the police commissioner plans on having spy cameras put in certain city streets that have high crime activity----not to monitor activity as it's happening but to review footage if a crime did occur in the area---after the fact.________what's your thought on this?

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Ellie

My partner chose not to grass on his friends (I think he should have done) and actually lied during his confession to put all the blame on himself.

Basically what happened is he was walking home from the pub with 3 friends, they started a fight with another group of males, during the fight a mobile phone was stolen.

The guy whos phone it was made a statement to the police but could not identify the person who took the phone, no forensic evidence as they had all been fighting and had all handled the phone.

It was Gaz's first offence, the other 3 were known trouble makers, I'm sure had there been video evidence the police would have been happy to charge all 4 but as it happens Gaz was the only one willing to confess.

He is not a danger to the public, believe me he has well and truly learned his lesson but as for the other 3, they believe thay are untouchable.

Very often with these repeat offenders, they get such a reputation that the public are too frightened to give evidence, that is another reason why I think cctv is a good thing, if they are filmed committing an offence then the cps have enough evidence to convict.

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What's Your Opinion of Putting Spy Cameras On City Streets?

by minimus in

jw
friends

the new york post has an article on how the police commissioner plans on having spy cameras put in certain city streets that have high crime activity----not to monitor activity as it's happening but to review footage if a crime did occur in the area---after the fact.________what's your thought on this?

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Ellie

Tetrapod, just say there was a camera and the attack still took place, there would be video evidence that my partner was not the only person involved, hence they would have recieved a similar sentence to that of my partner.

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What's Your Opinion of Putting Spy Cameras On City Streets?

by minimus in

jw
friends

the new york post has an article on how the police commissioner plans on having spy cameras put in certain city streets that have high crime activity----not to monitor activity as it's happening but to review footage if a crime did occur in the area---after the fact.________what's your thought on this?

?

Ellie

Tetrapod - no, I do not believe that cameras cause criminals to be treated better, the opposite infact.

Yes EvilForce, I am sure that if my partner knew that he was being watched by a camera he would not have gotten involved in the crime.

Infact the crime would probably never have been committed.

The other 3 offenders felt no remorse for what they had done and so lied to the police,my partner on the other hand felt bad and made a confession without even a solicitor being present.

What bothers me is that the other 3 couldn't care less about the victim and are still terrorising the streets, they need to be punished and I believe a camera would either have prevented the attack or made sure they got a long stretch in jail.