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  Franz's and Jonssons's work

  by truth finder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there exists many interesting facts in direct conflict with the watchtower society, or are just not brought forward for some reason or another by the watchtower society.

  this is a well known fact amongst many observers, and previous witnesses, that the watchtower society either hides the evidence by not mentioning anything about the material, or indirectly by misquoting the source (as is the case of the ante-nicene fathers).

  i have selection from raymond franzs crisis of conscience.

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  fahrvegnugen

  The Gentile Times Reconsidered, is no longer published, and is indeed a rarity

  On the contrary it was republished in 2004 and is not rare at all.

  http://tinyurl.com/a5q7j
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  Starting a collection of the Inexplicable JW Doctrines...

  by AuldSoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am starting a collection of jw doctrines and practices that have no basis in the scriptures and (preferably) that the scriptures or secular history directly contradicts.

  this isn''t a thread for arguing with scholar is he drops by.

  i want as comprehensive a set as possible as part of a project i am working on, so even if you aren't sure of one, please toss it in the mix.

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  Most of this just comes down to one person's belief against another's. Your average JW could go down the list and rebutt every point you listed. That's why there are so many religions.
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  Apostates protesting conventions = Something I laughed at

  by free2beme in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  sorry if there are those apostates here that do this, but you were often the butt of a joke and nothing taken serious.

  i personally loved the ones who wore paper bags over their head, as they were often people still afraid of getting in trouble.

  it is not like a political rally with people saying "make love, not war.

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  My experience seeing them was that it validated my sense of feeling "persecuted" by "the enemies." I always felt great when I saw them, "yep...those poor bitter folks. they left Jehovah and now look at 'em...a bunch of sorry hate-obsessed wackjobs."

  I honestly think it's counterproductive, as it tends to generate sympathy for JWs in the community where these people will also be seen as crazies.
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  Prostitution and Marijuana

  by free2beme in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i feel that as a country we waste so much time and money fighting prostitution and marijuana use.

  not that i think these things are something everyone should use, but the fact that we make these illegal and yet other things happen that are the same thing, or worse.

  for example, in nevada, outside the city limits, it is legal for prostitution.

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  Prostitution is not just a business. It envolves degradation of the woman in most cases.

  I have to disagree with you here. There are different types of prostitutes and prostitution--everything from your drugged out streetwalkers to your fancy high priced call girls and escorts.

  If you browse the web for escort services you will see that many of these women are able to set their own standards for clientele and make some decent money for themselves at the same time. There are websites devoted to the "hobby" as it is called, where men discuss the pluses and minuses of the ladies available in their area. If you read through some of the postings on such sites, you will see that many of the men get to know the girls on a personal level, become friends and even stay in touch after they've moved or left the "business."

  Of course there is also the type of prostitution which you refer to where girls are used as part of a criminal enterprise to put money in the pockets of pimps and are subject to violence and often involved in heavy drug use. I would argue that if prostitution was legalized and regulated, this type of operation would wither up and go away. You could also greatly reduce the risk of STDs.

  Prostitution has been around for a long long time--ever since Judah decided to get himself a little side-action on the way to Timnah--and long before that. By legalizing it and regulating it, you take it out from the seedy underworld and make it as safe as possible--a win win situation in my book.
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  Revealed: the pill that prevents cancer

  by Elsewhere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_technology/article335359.ecerevealed: the pill that prevents cancer by jeremy laurance, health editor published: 28 december 2005 .

  a daily dose of vitamin d could cut the risk of cancers of the breast, colon and ovary by up to a half, a 40-year review of research has found.

  the evidence for the protective effect of the "sunshine vitamin" is so overwhelming that urgent action must be taken by public health authorities to boost blood levels, say cancer specialists.

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  Just drink some milk. Or go stand in the sun for a little bit.
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  My Story

  by DaveNwisconsin in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i wanted to share with people my story about the witnesses.

  when i was five my mother had been searching for a new religion.

  she was brought up catholic and didn't understand the church.

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  --appreciated your story Dave--welcome to the forum.
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  Does it shock you that there are so few people on this board?

  by free2beme in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i read once that the witnesses loss between 30,000-50,000 members in the united states alone each year.

  i know the numbers for worldwide exits, must be even larger and times that by all the decades of people leaving and you come to a fairly nice size number.

  i realize some of these decreases are deaths, losing track of correct totals or a percentage returning right back into the congregation.

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  I think as sites like this one continue to mature and develop, word will get around and you may see more participation from ex-JWs or those on the fringes who haven't yet left.

  A number of years ago when I was first looking around the web for sites about JWs, alot of the ones I came across were of the, "I USED TO BE A WATCHTOWER SLAVE BUT NOW I"M A BORN-AGAIN SLAIN-IN-THE-SPIRIT TALKIN'-IN-TONGUES HOLY-ROLLIN' CHRISTIAN---HALLELUJAH---PRAISE JEEEEZZUUUUS!!!" variety. No offense intended to those here who may be Christians, but most ex-JWs have no interest in jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire, if you know what I mean.

  Also, sites run by church groups who seem obsessed with demonizing every aspect of JWs are a huge turn off for me. My beef is with the teachings and the borganization--not the average JW who is just trying to live his life the way he believes God wants him to. Anyway, this site is a pretty good one and I hope it will continue to develop as a resource for those who have left and those who are thinking of leaving.
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  Curious...

  by Tez in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  who here has become involved with another religion since leaving the borg, and what was it that drew you to it??

  any 'born agains'?.

  (ok mum, you may have suspected i would post this!

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  fahrvegnugen

  Many people here don't consider jws to be christian for some of the following reasons...

  I would argue that these "many people" are simply other Christians who think that they know what the "true" Christianity is. Clearly JWs are a form of Christianity--only not mainstream. As far as joining another religion--not me. The same realizations which led to my exodus from the KH have opened my eyes to the human origins of all religions.
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  Any PUBLICATION say that heavens doors were closed in 1935 ???

  by run dont walk in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this seems to be jw belief, and only because rutherford said so in a talk, are there any publications that actually say that heavens doors were closed in 1935 ???

  and any kind of references ???.

  with the annoited class (pre 1935) getting smaller and smaller, i think in about 50 years the watchtower will have 144,000 replacements, how will they rectify this goof ???.

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  Yes, I knew a couple of sisters who felt they had "received the heavenly calling." They were not the crazy types and as far as I know are still very active. Also one of my distant relations who I've met only once has been a partaker for years. Then you would also read about brothers being added to the GB who had obviously been baptized long after 1935.

  The thought would always go through my mind: Gee, for every one of these newly "anointed ones," one of the original chosen ones somewhere in the world had to have been so unfaithful as to have been utterly rejected by God. Where the hell are these elderly people who were baptized before 1935, and after all those years of faithful service turned so rotten as to warrant being replaced? What did they do--up and leave the old folks home to smoke crack and hire prostitutes?

  I think the Society themselves doesn't really know what to think about the number of partakers staying eternally at 8500. I'm sure they thought this number would dwindle on it's own, but human nature is such that in a religious group you're always going to have a certain percentage who think they have been chosen by god for some sort of higher calling--it's human nature.
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  Over 160,000 Simply Left The "Truth" Last Year

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  that was the comment that a former elder made at the local meeting today in his comment.

  evidently, he and his wife heard a bethel speaker's comment during his talk say that (i believe the figure was) 167,000 people did not get disfellowshipped but simply left.

  the ex-elder made it a point to say that the elders should be watching to help out the flock before they up and leave.

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  Gary--I think you may be correct on this. The brother who gave the talk may have made the same assumption that many here made, without considering that a lot of those baptized were already being counted as publishers.