Posts by fahrvegnugen

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NWT? Why a different bible?

by 4mylove in

what is the common justification given by witnesses as to why they have a different bible?

a friend once told me that it was because the other versions of bibles weren't translated accurately and things had been changed.

at this though, she also told me that should i decide to study, i could use my own bible.

fahrvegnugen

The JWs often say that they can prove what they believe from any bible. Thing is, they can't and so won't use any other bible to prove their beliefs.

JWs used KJ translation to "prove" their beliefs for years and many still use it in service to persuade those who trust nothing else.

Also, I once again ask any who fault the NWT rendering of John 1:1 to explain to me why the Greek CAN'T be rendered "the word was a god." I'm here to tell you that is a perfectly legitimate translation, but I'll gladly listen to counter-arguments.

As someone pointed out, insertion of Jehovah in many passages of NT is probably the most blatant manipulation of JWs in NWT.

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RIDICULIOUS TRANSLATIONS IN THE NWT

by badboy in

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apart rom job 6;6., has there been other ridiculious ranslations?

fahrvegnugen

John 1:1, I can't remember the particulars, but I think the jest of it is that it was altered somewhat to make it seem less trinitarian? And that Johannes Grebbles(?) some spiritist was consulted, or had a part in the translation and alteration of John 1:1.

I'm going to slightly disagree with this one. On the one hand, the JW translation is clearly influenced by their theology. On the other hand, the meaning of the Greek is very unclear and I don't think their translation can be dismissed out of hand as "wrong," at least not by means of the Greek alone.

In other words, "the word was God," and, "the word was a god," seem equally plausible translations to me. The deciding factor would be context. Thus, trinitarians would obviously insist on the former whereas JWs would insist on the latter--both claiming context to support their translation.

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RIDICULIOUS TRANSLATIONS IN THE NWT

by badboy in

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apart rom job 6;6., has there been other ridiculious ranslations?

fahrvegnugen

There probably is but as someone who has studied ancient Greek I want to offer the opinion that the NWT of the NT is actually quite good in general. Probably the biggest legitimate gripe is the inserting of "Jehovah" where there is no evidence for it. Also a few doctrinally influenced passages could be enumerated, but you could say the same thing about other translations as well.

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Favorite Storytelling Musicians - Harry Chapin, Jim Croce - Who's yours?

by AWAKE&WATCHING in

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i love john lennon, simon and garfunkle, harry chapin, jim croce and many more.

i love songs that make you imagine real people with real lives.. taxi - harry chapin(genius).

dedicated to noni1974 our forum cabbie .

fahrvegnugen

I'll second Gordon Lightfoot and you could probably throw Ralph McTell into the conversation as well.

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Gravitation And Electric Energy, why published in The Golden Age?

by VM44 in

gravitation and electric energy*** the golden age 1932 august 17, pp.707-710 ***gravitation and electric energyby c. f. stewart.

it is outside earth's orbit between first and third quarter moons.

it is right in front of the earth at third quarter.

fahrvegnugen

Marvelous Moon Movements

You see...not only is the solar system a giant atom--it is also a giant digestive tract.

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Judge: 14-year-old Jehovah's Witness can refuse blood transfusion

by Gilberto in

a 14 year old can refuse a blood transfusion.

this is against the wishes of his parents.. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6420ap_wa_jehovahs_witness_transfusion.html.

judge: 14-year-old jehovah's witness can refuse blood transfusionthe associated press.

fahrvegnugen

Just heard about this--link on front page of MSNBC.com

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22032266/

BTW I think the judge got it right...as strongly as I believe the JW blood issue is bunk, I once would have preferred death to taking blood and you don't force someone to do so against their will. At the same time, I hope this will get as much bad press for the org. as possible--maybe if it scares away a few potential converts the boy's death will have helped others in some way.

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Do "Apostates/ex-jws" picket their "new" churches if they disagree?

by booker-t in

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it seems that every ex-jws now has so much rage at the wt society for the way they were treated and all of the scandals.

i was wondering though if an "apostate/ex-jws" found disagreement or scandal in their new church would they picket or get on the internet or get on tv warning people about the christian church?

i can answer that question with one word no.

fahrvegnugen

I'm not the picketing type. As a witness I always got a kick out of the "apostates" picketing and making a scene. It actually strengthened my faith as a JW since it seemed to confirm the idea that JWs who left generally went nuts and became sorry shells of their former selves. I'll never forget the morons who came into the Memorial and when the wine was passed around they stood up, quoted a bible verse, took a swig then walked out front and blocked the driveway so the next congregation couldn't get into the parking lot. The last thing I remember was the cops showing up to arrest them. No, I think there are much more constructive methods. And as far as trusting what other churches say--the day I knew that JWs didn't have the "truth" was the day I knew that no religion did.

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My Cong- "Large Witness Gatherings are Banned!! And fancy dress? Why?

by Witness 007 in

a year ago in my cong, an elder who must be hitler's love child, gets up and tells us how some brothers are planning a fancy dress party, a large social gathering.

sounds fun i though!

"brothers a sincere christian would not attend such a gathering, we are warning you not to go near it.

fahrvegnugen

The mind of the Society-trained elder sees danger lurking everywhere, Satan is out to snare us, spiritual shipwreck awaits at every turn...LOOK OUT!!! You might think you're up for a little harmless entertainment, next thing you know...WHAMMO!...you're dry-humping sweet sister Suzy-Q on the floor behind the punchbowl. The safest place for christians to be is locked in their room, with no internet access, wearing a chastity belt and reading the Bible 24/7...ohhh but stay away from the Song of Solomon and certain suggestive parts of Leviticus and Deuteronomy.

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Is There Something You'd Like To Tell A Witness "Lurker" Right Now?

by minimus in

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we know there are a lot of "lurkers" here.

they might not have posted yet but they do check this site out.

would you like to express anything to them to help them in any way??

fahrvegnugen

Not really. Let the lurkers lurk...let them read the posts and threads that they feel like and when they get comfortable, they will sign up and engage in the conversation. The last thing a JW needs is yet another person preaching at 'em...know what I mean?

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Documentary on cult The Family (on Cinemax today)

by Oroborus21 in

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greetings!.

i havent been on jwd in ages so i apologize if this topic has been mentioned already.. there's a new documentary on premiering on cinemax tonight that is on the family cult..i was wondering if anyone plans ot watch and will be interested in posting comments later.... hope all is well with everyone,.

eduardo.

fahrvegnugen

I came across an article about a teen who grew up in the "Family" and spent the rest of the day googling info about the group on the web. Check out the Wiki page on them, as well as the video and audio recordings you can find around on various sites. Truly one of the most bizarre and fascinating stories you will ever hear. You would never believe such groups even existed unless you read the first-hand accounts.