david and the census
the story of david and the census is one of the most educational of all bible stories.
it reveals so much to us of gods qualities of love, justice, and wisdom, not to mention demonstrating the infallible accuracy of his inerrant word of truth.
I just found something in the 'insight book' about it and remembered this thread.
They do not claim it are two seperate occasions.
They say that the difference are maybe due to errors of people copying the scriptures, or differnt ways of counting etc. In other words: "we do not know, but don't want to say that"
Danny
yesterday there was a post that made me think.
i have a question for you.
i think creationist are ruled by emotion and not by provable facts.
I am, from scripture is 'ego eime' and it means 'I exist'. This is the fact that needs to be accepted before any other proposition is valid. Logic cannot explain God, nor can it explain any claim that there is 'no God'
Science can not prove that there is a God,
Science can not prove that there is no god.
So, why keep trying....
What science can prove is that if can't take the bible literary.
Science can prove that we do not need a god to explain most of the things (maybe all).
Science can prove that many of the claims hold by creationists are not valid.
In the future, there will probably always be a hiding place for God, a dark corner that science can't explain yet.
but science will be able to explain more about space and time in the future, maybe more about consiousness and the working of our brain. Will find more effidence of out past.
Maybe be able to crate life, without god.
etc.
aliens helped build noah's ark
file: ufo224
ancient tests reveal that noah's ark was built with the help of space aliens and that it was actually a submarine especially made to help him survive the great flood, say experts.
:( the sad thing is that there are people believing it.
Those naughty aliens, and they are comming again:
i don't go to church, but right now they're playing god bless america and i can hear it and it's just cool.
i like seeing the parisioners walking in and out when i drive by and seeing them fire up the huge grill on saturdays for cookouts.
just something i wanted to share this morning.
well, it beats living close to a mosque.
the anthropic principle .
by dr. norman geisler .
the anthropic principle (greek: anthropos, "human being") states that the universe was fitted from the very first moment of its existence for the emergence of life in general and human life in particular.
Hey Pink,
Who is running away? Does that mean if I stay here six weeks then leave for a spell, then I am running away? How about six days or six hours? Who are you to judge that? I have been on here (and the previous version) for various time periods for the last several years. The agnostic set here is famous for simply outlasting the rest of us.........I have a life to lead away from here. It would be refreshing to see some of the mini-Alans here come up with something original.
he he he, I think you mean me.
by the way I am not an agnostic.
first of all, I was not talking in general and not only you.
I see here a lot of people copy and pasting articles, without willing to defend them. This is strange, if you think this are good articles you must be willing to defend those articles. But many times when I make points against some of the things mentioned they are ignored, so I wonder what use it is to make them.
If you are willing, I am more then happy to discuss some of the statements. But discussion is only usefull when people are willing to listen to eachother, and validate there arguments.
Therefor it would be better not to just copy and paste and article and that is it.
Just start a thread and give your arguments in your own words, with links if you like.
To many people are of the "drag, drop and run class".
Danny
a christian friend of mine had a melt down this weekend and screamed at my roommate about both of us being "preachy atheists".
he also said, in talking about me, that "i can see it in his eyes, he think's he's right!
" it was after a bunch of drinks at a bar and my roommate said that he was nearly in tears.
First of all about the original topic:
Preachy atheists: I think that is because many of us are a mix between JW's and atheists.
It can't hurt, there are so many preaching theists, around. If you want to look for something on internet, you almost only find theists sites.
so some more preachy atheists are needed I think.
Tetra,
the world would not be fixed if everyone were atheists. i think it would be somewhat safer (how many atheists do you know who are also suicide bombers?), but not fixed. and as far as communists like china and n. korea and cuba are concerned, if they nuked us tomorrow, would it be because they're atheists? or for other reasons?
It would hold also, that if all people had one religion it would be safer.
Suicide bombing is a bit odd, for atheists, because it is hard to talk them into it, as they can never have a reward. But see some of the 'internal' russian conflicts.
If there would be no religion we would label people differently, and continue with much of the same practices?
sure communism is immoral. but not because they don't believe in god. sure they kill and devalue human life, but not because they're atheists. communism is not the church of atheism, so what the hell do i care if they are atheist and retarded?
Aren't you a bit hard on cummunism? Do kapatalists not do exactly the same?
Some religions, like buddism, seem to be very peachfull in principle.
p.s. I like the quotes of dawkins ....
Danny
No, after a few years could not remember
somewhere in 1986.
made a lot of promotions
from microphone runner, to soundbox guy.
Did the magazines, the library, the books, the terretories, the accounting, theocratic school conductor, in the years conductor servaral bookstudies, public talks, drama parts, parts on assemblies, etc.
now nothing much anymore
born in, what difference does it make?
i was thinking about this one a lot over the last few weeks.
what difference does it make whether you were born into a cult or were brought in as a teen or adult?
WLG,
exactly, you hit the nail on the head.
I did "survive" my years in mu teen and twenties in the truth. It is then very hard to come out.
Everybody you know is a JW, since you were not allowed to be very close to others.
Danny
i have been talking to a few people here privately and i came to the decision that i will not post anymore here.
those few individuals i talked to were nice and the way they were treated by the "friends" was all too familiar to me and it makes me truely sad.
i also see that some on here are not so nice.
I wish you best Derrick,
I see you still think of some who can not believe in God anymore as some sort of deamons. Luckely you are not the one to judge.
Well I do not think the same of you, I think it is ok, if people have different opinions, So good luck.
Danny
