i apologise if this is old - i only got it this morning.
i wondered if anyone else had seen it - the video suggests very strongly that there never was a boeing flying into the pentagon and the photos appear to lend credence to that.
tell me what you think.... "this is that 9/11 site, have a look when u have a moment, very.
No, no, see, the govmint is trying to look incompetent by screwing up in Iraq, screwing up in New Orleans, screwing up Medicare, etc. etc.
The thinking is, "if we look this stupid, no one will ever suspect that we really secretly blew up the Pentagon".
At least, that's what I heard from the radio broadcasts that I pick up from my fillings.
i don't know of anyone who can answer this question totally but i do like this man's response!
i've posted the link to this before.
rex .
Nope, you cannot reason it out that easily, you assume too much knowledge and credit for human, finite reasoning.
Ah, the old "God's thoughts are higher than your thoughts" trick! Seen in other guises as "God works in mysterious ways", "It's a divine mystery", etc.
Well, that just begs another question, to add to Hellraiser's:
Why did God create humans with such a limited reasoning ability? If our eternal salvation depends on our exercising faith in God, yet many (the majority) find it impossible to exercise such faith because they cannot understand this issue, isn't that inherently unfair? Why would God create humans with X amount of reasoning ability, then say "unless you have faith in my explanation, which requires 10X reasoning ability to fully understand, you are condemned"?
well, i didn't think i'd be back on jwd for awhile.
but new things are happening in my life.
my parents are starting to panic because of me standing for what i feel is right.
Oooh, here's another goody, along the same vein as my post above...
In the NWT appendix, as well as the "All Scripture Inspired" book, it is freely admitted that the name "Jehovah" does not appear in any--ANY--existing manuscript of the NT. But the JWs put it in there 237 times, with various reasonings as presented in those 2 sources.
But, given the JW assertion that knowing and repeating the divine name Jehovah is of utmost importance, how was it that the Bible was passed on for generation after generation, nearly 2000 years, without that divine name in its rightful place in those 237 verses?
And if the knowledge and use of that divine name is of such overwhelming and crucial importance, yet Jehovah was unable / unwilling to see to it that the name was preserved in any manuscript, well, once again, how can we have confidence in anything else (which must be of lesser importance than that divine name) which appears there?
can anyone provide me with any evidence (links to other sites is fine) that jerusalem could not have possibly fallen to the babylonians in 607?
thanks again for your answers.
zico
I don't usually comment on these types of threads, but I just couldn't pass this up:
Celebrated WT scholars have stated how the date of 607 is derived. It is derived not from some astromical date as you allege but from the date of 537 BCE which is establihed by means of accpted secular evidence which includes the astronomical evidence.
OK, so, if I understand correctly:
587 BCE as the date for the destruction of Jerusalem is WRONG WRONG WRONG because it is derived from astronomical data. 607 BCE is an infinitely better date because it is NOT derived from that BAD HORRIBLE astronomical data.
If 607 BCE is not derived from such GUT-WRENCHINGLY UNRELIABLE astronomical data, from where is it derived?
Just count back 70 years from 537 BCE.
And how do you get 537 BCE? From DIVINELY PRESERVED and UNDISPUTED astronomical evidence.
Yes indeed, I can see how those WT scholars are truly "celebrated".
this past watchtower study said the goverment(s) will turn on babylon the great, i thought it was the un?
is this new light?
I think it is one of those "gradually fading in" new lights.
Go back to the 60's & 70's when Fred Franz was still acting as the "JW oracle". There you will see all kinds of references to the UN attacking religions.
Thru the 80's & 90's, the explict references to the UN itself were softened.
Beginning about the same time that the Society became an NGO associated with the UN-DPI, references to the UN itself attacking religion stopped.
You began to see expressions like "member nations of the UN will attack religion", "militarized horns of the UN nations", etc.
Lately, it seems that they are dropping most if not all references to the UN.
Some new ideas, they just burst out and it's called "new light". Generation change, separation of sheep & goats, etc.
Other changes just gradually transform over time, such as this "UN attacking religion" one. Other examples of this are "blood fractions are now a conscience matter" and "the creative days were not each exactly 7000 years long". Promoting such ideas 20 or 30 years ago would have gotten you D_F-ed faster than fornicating a CO's wife.
this weeks study mag, march 15th has on page 26 an article re.
the new members, anthony morris and geoffrey w jackson .
both are men believed to be in their fifties who joined bethel in 2002 or 2006. they both came from the the "nethanim class" of helpers to the gb .. * w92 4/15 p. 31 announcement ***therefore it has been decided to invite several helpers, mainly from among the great crowd, to share in the meetings of each of the governing body committees, that is, the personnel, publishing, service, teaching, and writing committees.
In my view there are criteria by which to decide who belongs to the elite
A couple spring to mind..
-- Fawning, behind-kissing of higher ups. Cash contributions also probably work well
-- Giving evidence of strong organizational loyalty. Being known as an "apostate-buster", someone who is called for special committees against JWs who are becoming vvocal apostates
well, i didn't think i'd be back on jwd for awhile.
but new things are happening in my life.
my parents are starting to panic because of me standing for what i feel is right.
Here is one suggestion:
Run to a bookstore, and pick up a copy of "Misquoting Jesus", by Bart Ehrman. The basic idea of the book is:
(1) there are no original writings of the New Testament--the earliest manuscripts come from the 2nd, 3rd, 4th centuries, or later, depending on the book.
(2) In the manuscripts that do exist, there are literally thousands and thousands of copying errors / discrepancies (no Xerox machines back then). The majority of these errors are insignificant, but there are still dozens, or even hundreds, that can significantly alter doctrine or belief.
(3) Given that there are all these errors we know about, how can we have confidence that the original writings, done by the hand of Paul, Luke, etc., are the same as the copies we do have, which were written from copies of copies of copies of copies of copies of copies stretching back 100 - 300 years?
(4) And if your faith is based solely on the Bible (sola scriptura, as the JWs are), how can you have such a strong faith if you can't even be sure of what the original writers wrote?
this weeks study mag, march 15th has on page 26 an article re.
the new members, anthony morris and geoffrey w jackson .
both are men believed to be in their fifties who joined bethel in 2002 or 2006. they both came from the the "nethanim class" of helpers to the gb .. * w92 4/15 p. 31 announcement ***therefore it has been decided to invite several helpers, mainly from among the great crowd, to share in the meetings of each of the governing body committees, that is, the personnel, publishing, service, teaching, and writing committees.
The completion of the sealing of these anointed ones draws near."
In JW-lingo, in the semantics games that they play, "sealing" is not the same as "selecting".
As I recall, the 144,000 are "sealed" when all of them are either (a) in heaven or (b) even though still on earth, God has read their hearts sufficiently well enough to know that they will not fall away and be unfaithful. I think (b) is supposed to happen just prior to, or during, Armageddon.
So, per the JW world view, the "selection" of new members ended in 1935. But for those selected in 1935 and before (and any replacements), they are still "unsealed" why living on the earth. Any one of them could prove unfaithful (Ray Franz is their poster boy for this). Thus, while there is a risk of anyone becoming unfaithful, the full number is not "sealed". And as Armageddon is not here yet, the number is not "sealed".
I know it's remarkably convoluted, but this is the stuff they dish out.
this weeks study mag, march 15th has on page 26 an article re.
the new members, anthony morris and geoffrey w jackson .
both are men believed to be in their fifties who joined bethel in 2002 or 2006. they both came from the the "nethanim class" of helpers to the gb .. * w92 4/15 p. 31 announcement ***therefore it has been decided to invite several helpers, mainly from among the great crowd, to share in the meetings of each of the governing body committees, that is, the personnel, publishing, service, teaching, and writing committees.
So, if there are any "ambitious" and young male JWs out there, here's the career track:
Knock yourself out now, volunteer to go where "the need is greater", go to MTS school, get your mug in front of every CO who happens along...
Get yourself appointed to be a sub CO by the time you're in your 30's....
Get yourself named full CO by your mid-late 30's...
Start partaking around about now....
Get yourself invited to Bethel when in your 40's, be a total 100% brain-dead "company man"...
Get yourself appointed into the Nethinim....
If your timing is good, the current crop of 50-60 year-old GB'ers who have recently been appointed will start dropping off, and you can take their place!
apparently, a large percentage of xjw's who post on this site have embraced some other form of god/jesus belief to replace the wt doctrine.
most of them fall into the "i accept the lord jesus christ as my personal savior" class.
they are still extremely attached to the old "forgiveness of sin through the shed blood of jc" line.
lovelylil,
The world would be a much happier place if everyone shared your point of view.
Thanks
