The thing is....he doesn't *want* to shun me! He himself sees that if he does, HE will be the shuned one, because he's the only witness and the rest of the family will be mad at HIM. Now one elder told him he could associtae with me, but the other said no. And this week he's gonna ask the P.O.??(Is that the one??You know the guy and his wife who visit once or twice a year?) He really wants to find a way out of shunning me.
Lilycurly
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Answer from the "Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses"
by Lilycurly insome of you might remember my situation....i have daed myself a while ago, and my father is the only jw in the family.
since i am very close to him and the family, he has read everything related to shunning, he even asked elders and even them are not sure.
so he wrote a big long letter to bethel to have an answer.
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Answer from the "Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses"
by Lilycurly insome of you might remember my situation....i have daed myself a while ago, and my father is the only jw in the family.
since i am very close to him and the family, he has read everything related to shunning, he even asked elders and even them are not sure.
so he wrote a big long letter to bethel to have an answer.
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Lilycurly
*Barf-Bag Warning*
Some of you might remember my situation....I have DAed myself a while ago, and my father is the only JW in the family. Since I am very close to him and the family, he has read everything related to shunning, he even asked elders and even them are not sure. So he wrote a big long letter to Bethel to have an answer. Surprisingly, they wrote back (two months later)
(Sorry for the translation...) I'm just gonna write parts of it because it's long and boring.
Dear brother ******,
You informed us that your daughter has DAed herself of the christian congregation. Like you said, your desire is to "be sincerely faithful in every way to Jehovah and his organization" You also want to be certain to understand things the same way the faithful and discret slave does, because you have an immense confidence in them. We congratulate you for your excellent attitude.
You asked if the expression "does not live under the same roof" means something other then "not part of close family circle". Or is it only synonymous?
The two expressions are not synonymous. A person that is part of close family circle does not have to live under the family roof. We have to ask ourself, who is "close family circle"
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When someone as close and dear as a daughter DAes herself, it is truly traumatizing to a father, and the hurt in your heart is certainly understandable. Naturally, you desire with all your heart that your daughter comes back to her relations with Jehovah. As you know, the christian congregation is merciful, as is Jehovah. But if sinners don't want to repent, the faithful christians are obligated to recognize them as they have become to Jehovah's eyes.
The Bible does not make any exception when it declares that a chritian should "cease to associate with someone who is called brother and who is a fornicator, greedy, idole-worshipping, insulting, drunkard, or thief (**Yeah, I'm all of those alright!***) one shouldn't even eat with such a person."
To some, it might seem unloving or even cruel to not even salute a close one, but true christians know by experience that to act according to God's word will bring good results, while wining God's benediction. It can be dangerous to let ourselves being led by our emotions. (****)
By respection the excommunication decret, faithful ones are protected in the case where the excommunicated person might try to persuade other people to follow her wrong way. We also hope that this draconian action will bring them back to reason. The fact that they can not associate with members of her christian family, nor her old spiritual brothers and sisters () should bring the sinner to seek that loving, warm camaraderie. But if they have the impression that nothing has changed, it will not help him. In fact, it could keep them from making the necessary steps to getting reintegrated.
We understand that this is difficult. The human tendancy is to continue to associate with our family members. But as we said before, experience shows that it is highly preferable to do things as Jehovah wants them. Even if that doesn't seem like this to humans, the best way to show that we really love an excommunicated parent living outside the family roof is to respect faithfully the Bible's rules about how to act with excommunicated. When parents act this way, and they explain clearly at the start, why they conform to Bible principle and stop every association, assuring the excommunicated children that they will impatiently wait for his reintegration, results are often excellent. In the past, some people have not acted that way, and it usually didn't encourage the person to come back. It has even been spiritualy detrimental to most of them. It can even reinforced the tendancy to tale their sin lightly, and have an even more rebellious attitude.
We hope that the previous information will help you to see your question in the light of the holy scriptures. We pray that Jehovah helps and supports you, when you chose to hold on to obtain benediction in spite of the pain in your heart, brought by the fact that your dauhter doesn't currently enjoy Jehovah's favor. Remember, brother ******
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Your brothers*****
This is really barf-worthy, what bothers me even more is to realise how much faith my own father puts in them. And also the fact that they sincerely think that shunning brings back people to their cult! The strange thing is, my dad is still confused.......he is still pretty sure that he can talk to me...opinions?
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Do active jw's count their time they post here for field service?
by HockeyMullet ini'm just curious.
it looks like there's a couple "unbaptised" individuals here.
i suppose you wouldn't have to detail it in the service reports, although i haven't filled one out for quite a while.
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Lilycurly
Hmm, if I would have known of those boards when I was still trying to be doing more hours without actually leaving the house, I would have done it. Of course, being on this board would have made my leaving the JWs much MUCH faster.
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Just curious, How many Awakes do you read to get a college level education?
by PaNiCAtTaCk inmaybe pmj or another active witnesses can explain?
or do they still teach this?
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Lilycurly
Yeah, Ha! College for 5fth graders! Ok, I'll admit they do have *some* articles of interests, but you'll never learn about really interesting or challenging stuff in a Awake magazine, you'll never learn to think for yourself, to doubt, to examine *every* angle of a subject.
I don't know....do colleges have a course on the wonders of Coffee Beans now?lol
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Lilycurly
Hehe, I LOVE Dogma! And I still think that Buddy Christ figure is one of the funniest, cleverest thing that happened in a movie.
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Disturbing paragraph in Dec 15, 2005 Watchtower
by yaddayadda inin the 2nd study article, page 29, paragraph 17.
"a similar shocking end will come to the symbolic harlot who has the name "babylon the grat.
" the harlot represents the false religions of satan's world, which have their origin in the ancient city of babylon.
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Lilycurly
HA! What a nice, loving follow up....The article that had the bugs and exterminator example was december 1st!
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Did you ever have a crush on a married Brother or Sister?
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did you ever have a crush on a married brother or sister, and they probably knew about it, just by your actions?
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Lilycurly
Of course!lol Both! It's like they say...when the fruit is forbidden...
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Aprocrypha and JWs
by Lilycurly ini made a search but didn't come up with anything specific about what are the views of jws concerning the apocryphal bible books.. from what i know, some man a long time ago (catholic or pagan, but certainly not a jehovah's witness) decided wich books were inspired and wich to dump, and then proceeded to assemble the bible as we know it today.. now i don't want to start a fight about wether or not they would be inspired....but how do the jws explain that they accept this choice made by this particular man (or group??
) do they admit tha the man was inspired?
if they do, then they'd have to admit that god gives his blessing to other religions, and if not, they are missing some books and serious information..... what would my father tell me, if i asked him?
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Lilycurly
Oooh, nice find, thanks!!
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Aprocrypha and JWs
by Lilycurly ini made a search but didn't come up with anything specific about what are the views of jws concerning the apocryphal bible books.. from what i know, some man a long time ago (catholic or pagan, but certainly not a jehovah's witness) decided wich books were inspired and wich to dump, and then proceeded to assemble the bible as we know it today.. now i don't want to start a fight about wether or not they would be inspired....but how do the jws explain that they accept this choice made by this particular man (or group??
) do they admit tha the man was inspired?
if they do, then they'd have to admit that god gives his blessing to other religions, and if not, they are missing some books and serious information..... what would my father tell me, if i asked him?
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Lilycurly
Yeah, but the problem is...not *all* of the bible is in harmony, try as they might, they could never convince me of it. Maybe the Bible itself is the one being in contradiction with the apocrypha....I'll need to make more research about this...I'm just all worked up because I'm in the middle of reading the Da Vinci Code...
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The Jesus Mysteries
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book by tim freke and peter gandy compairing the jesus story to pagan god-men.. have you read it?
i thought the conjecture about the birth of christianity from the hellenization of the jews was interesting.
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Lilycurly
I'll have to find where I read this....but a few people said that many events in Jesus' life were almost a perfect copy of ancient legends.
Passion of the Christ = Osirien legend...Osiris dies on a Friday (crucified) cried by isis and coming back to life 3 days after.
Some verses of Matt 5:3-12 are copied from manuscripts of Qumran 4Q525, 100 years before JC.
Jesus walking on water and asking one of his disciples to do it is exactly the same as a part of the legend of Buddha and Shaliputra.
One of Buddha's disciple also became a traitor. (Devadatta.)
The legend of Buddha says that he too, multipled breads starting from just a few to feed more then 500 monks, some was left and he threw them in the water.
Ressurection of Lazar (my favorite)----The egyptian legend of Osiris who had to travel to *Bethanu* (house of the god Anu) to find his dead father. There was two sisters *Meri* and *Merti* whose broher was caller *El-Azar-us*!!! More then that, Bethany didn't even exist in Jesus time.