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What would it take for YOU to come back?
A brain injury involving permanent loss of long term memory and serious impediment to rational thinking and comprehension skills.
(I see now that others have said basically the same thing. I guess great minds think alike. And other minds become JWs.)
god's real name and identity yhvh.
yhwh - fraudulent identity.. .
can we all sue wt for evidenced fraud and deliberate deception ??
what are the errors in my claims though ?
Already stated in previous posts.
and why can you state that they are errors ?
Read a Bible concordance. Strongs is available online.
god's real name and identity yhvh.
yhwh - fraudulent identity.. .
can we all sue wt for evidenced fraud and deliberate deception ??
then why are you ?
2 reasons, listed in order of importance.
god's real name and identity yhvh.
yhwh - fraudulent identity.. .
can we all sue wt for evidenced fraud and deliberate deception ??
why so ?
Refer to my earlier posts. I'm not interested in continuing to go round in circles.
god's real name and identity yhvh.
yhwh - fraudulent identity.. .
can we all sue wt for evidenced fraud and deliberate deception ??
*lost*:
To you it may be absurd, fine, but that doesn't mean it isn't so.
But to Spiritual people, who believe things Spiritual, it has to be discessed through that channel.
No, you don't seem to understand. You're just wrong. It has nothing to do with my perspective about what entities exist. Your approach to semantics and etymology, and the non sequitur conclusions you draw therefrom are just wrong.
i got to thinking today & you know what i think the single biggest issue effecting apostates are.
its they cannot unite and this is what gives the watchtower the upper hand.
what needs to happen (and quite honestly i don't think it will)they all have to come under one common body.
Phizzy:
The biggest issue Affecting Apostates is the DF/Shunning policy, this has the Effect of making us very annoyed.
Sorry, I am a pedant. (therefore I prefer the spelling Apostasy rather than apostacy.)
That's good. Apostacy isn't a word.
brother of the hawk, newly enlightened & gojira, recorded an elder's meeting on 5/7/03.
both does a great job of defending me and making the elders look foolish!.
thank you raypublisher/jj and jwstruggle for the awesome job you did on it.. follow up story was not recorded but we will post it here hopefully over the weekend.. enjoy, it's pretty hilarious how they try to control us and come after me on a work of fiction!.
It is appalling that the elders would even imagine that someone should 'defend' the actions of fictional characters.
god's real name and identity yhvh.
yhwh - fraudulent identity.. .
can we all sue wt for evidenced fraud and deliberate deception ??
This breed of people I know, think like I think, I have to present them with evidence they will think about, think, then digest, then research, then accept.
[Jews ... Israelites ... Hebrews ... Abraham...]
And as soon you diverge from their 'playbook', they'll mentally 'shut down' (except for the occasional JW who might already have their own doubts on the subject). JW literature casts doubt on any sources that disagree with their rather distorted views of history/archaeology/anthropology.
It's also problematic to present the historical development if at the same time you insist of sticking to the biblical story. There's no evidence Abraham (Jewish folklore) actually existed, no evidence of the Jewish 'Exodus' from Egypt (borrowed from Ethiopic stories), etc, much less the stories about Noah or Adam (borrowed from Babylonian stories).
With most JWs, the best response you'll get is, "well, that might be what the so-called 'experts' of 'the world' say, but I believe the Bible [by which they mean, JW interpretations]." You'd be much better off showing JWs a) issues with the organisation now, or b) how JW beliefs contradict scripture. (If the latter, discuss issues that are not overly subject to interpretation.)
i got to thinking today & you know what i think the single biggest issue effecting apostates are.
its they cannot unite and this is what gives the watchtower the upper hand.
what needs to happen (and quite honestly i don't think it will)they all have to come under one common body.
ssn587:
Yes apostate is a label and not a good one as far as the jdubs are concerned. I pointed out to an elder one day, that the congregations are full of apostates in the jdub meaning of the word, he was shocked, well i said, if most came from another religion to being a witness, doesn't that make them apostates since they left what they had first been? He was silent for several minutes and then replied well yes in that way but!!!!!!
Yes, it makes some JWs a little uncomfortable when you 'misuse' their jargon.
When someone leaves another religion to become a JW, that's 'good', and if shunned by their family as a result, that's 'bad'. (g 7/09 pp. 28-29)
But when a person leaves JWs, perhaps joining another religion, that's 'bad', and being shunned by that person's family is not only 'good' but required. (w12 4/15 p. 12)
JWs love jargon. See also 'minister'.
god's real name and identity yhvh.
yhwh - fraudulent identity.. .
can we all sue wt for evidenced fraud and deliberate deception ??
Jen2013:
But I understand *lost*. If you want to argue with someone who's been talked into believing that Jehovah is and was the only god - which of course is also an invention of men, a misinterpretation and in some cases even a lie, or in the case of the Watchtower Company an open conspiracy, which I can proof with their own literature.
But the thing is, telling a JW that 'Jehovah = Satan' isn't going to get through to most JWs. It's a good way to get their emotional walls up as quick or quicker than any other argument. And the argument is based on flawed semantics.
Depending on the particular JW, issues like 607 BCE or child abuse or the UN affiliation or changes in doctrine or blood use or shunning are more likely as starting points to help them see 'TTATT' than using a false precept to claim they're 'really' worshipping 'Satan'.
