Posts by Jeffro

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Official: All Watchtower Brooklyn Properties Are Sold!!

by iclone in

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The OP didn't give any details. I'm not sure what makes the claim "official".

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What Is The Most Absurd JW Belief or View?

by minimus in

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there are many silly doctines and viewpoints.. one of the strangest ones is the blood doctrine.. why anyone could logically accept this belief is beyond reason..

Jeffro

clarity:

demons like to live in old furniture!

Is there a minimum age for the furniture? Only antiques? Or as soon as IKEA comes out with a newer model?

Maybe that's why Furuli did an ad for IKEA... because if your furniture isn't up-to-date, demons might move in.

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What Is The Most Absurd JW Belief or View?

by minimus in

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there are many silly doctines and viewpoints.. one of the strangest ones is the blood doctrine.. why anyone could logically accept this belief is beyond reason..

Jeffro

I never understood the math

They use 360-day years to work out the length of time since their incorrect starting point, but then add the result using 365.24-day years. They tried explaining the math in 1951.

The Watchtower, 15 June 1951, p. 383:

• In establishing the length of the seven times of the Gentiles, a time or year of 360 days is used, to give 2,520 days, which become 2,520 years when Ezekiel 4:6 is applied. Yet when we figure from 607 B.C. down to A.D. 1914, the 2,520 years are solar years of 365 1/4 days each, and not lunar years of 360 days each. Is this proper?—N. N., New Zealand.
The Bible records ignore the solar year of 365 1/4 days as far as measuring natural time and prophetic time. The moon was used for fixing the months, and then the spring growing season for determining the beginning of the year in relation to the moon, making necessary 7 times every 19 years the addition of an intercalary month or Ve-Adar month, a thirteenth month. So since the length of the Jewish year was not stabilized to 365 days plus a leap year of 366 days, prophecy fixed a system of measurement of its time periods at 360 days for a year or time, calculating 30 full days to a month instead of the actual 29 1/2 days to a lunation. Genesis 7:11, 24; 8:3, 4 shows Noah calculated 30 days roughly to a month. Further confirmation of this unit as a prophetic norm of time is given us at Revelation 11:2, 3, where 42 months are run parallel with 1,260 days, making a year of 12 months equal 360 days. Note also that when Revelation 12:6, 14 parallels 3 1/2 years or times with 1,260 days it takes each time or symbolic year as equal to 360 days, and not 365 1/4 days by saying that the 3 1/2 times equal 1,278 and a fraction days. In 3 1/2 years or times there would be at least one and possibly two intercalary months, as explained by The Watchtower, March 15, 1948, pages 91, 92; yet Revelation ignored such intercalary months in giving the days of the 3 1/2 times. So we figure according to God’s Biblical way and are on firm foundation in saying that the symbolic seven times equal 2,520 years. And these 2,520 years should be counted as solar years, because the Jewish lunar years of 360 days, over long periods of time, kept pace with the solar years by means of the intercalary months added at set intervals, thereby always maintaining the necessary harmony between the year’s beginning and the seasons.

It's also worth noting that years in the Hebrew calendar never have exactly 360 days. They have 354, 355, 383, 384 or 385 days, depending on where the year is in the metonic cycle.

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What Is The Most Absurd JW Belief or View?

by minimus in

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there are many silly doctines and viewpoints.. one of the strangest ones is the blood doctrine.. why anyone could logically accept this belief is beyond reason..

Jeffro

I never understood the math

-606 + 360 * 7 = 1914

or why the math worked

It doesn't. Their starting point is wrong, their method is a convoluted mess, and what they said would happen in 1914 didn't happen.

or how they even came up with the math.

They got it from the Millerites (early 19th century).

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What Is The Most Absurd JW Belief or View?

by minimus in

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friends

there are many silly doctines and viewpoints.. one of the strangest ones is the blood doctrine.. why anyone could logically accept this belief is beyond reason..

Jeffro

Unfortunately, their stupidest beliefs are probably the ones common to other Christian religions.

A magical loving creator got angry when his toys listened to a talking snake so he killed his son so he could be less angry at his toys so long as they were sad about his dead son who is actually alive.

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Universal sovereignty, The Tower of Babel and witness tampering

by Simon in

the main premise of the bible is that satan challenged jehovahs authority and humans fell for the lie so god then gave man / satan a chance to rule to "prove" that they needed him and couldn't do it themselves.

this was for the benefit of the angels watching who are presumably easily swayed too.. not really believable and some stunning gaps of logic but let's go with it for now.. what happened next in the bible?

well, man was doing pretty good.

Jeffro

sinis:

If you go back far enough, who were the "gods"? I sure as hell don't know, but several ancient texts and holy books indicate they were not from here...

Sounds like you were sucked in by Chariots of the Gods.

Priesthoods developed from shamanism. The further back you go, you get to other people who made up ideas.

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Universal sovereignty, The Tower of Babel and witness tampering

by Simon in

the main premise of the bible is that satan challenged jehovahs authority and humans fell for the lie so god then gave man / satan a chance to rule to "prove" that they needed him and couldn't do it themselves.

this was for the benefit of the angels watching who are presumably easily swayed too.. not really believable and some stunning gaps of logic but let's go with it for now.. what happened next in the bible?

well, man was doing pretty good.

Jeffro

sinis:

Almost every culture seperated by time and space speak of the same beginnings of man, and "ages" of man, "gods" made man for slaves, used primitive humanoids, moved onto another version, altered monkeys, and finally, as in almost every culture the "gods" shed their blood and mixed it with the last creation to make a human/man that could think and do work.

There's retconning going on in your explanation there. The common thread to such stories is that in each society, a small group of men (e.g. a priesthood or other ruling classes) has convinced the general populace that there are 'gods' who must be worshipped, 'coincidentally' to the advantage of the ruling class.

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Universal sovereignty, The Tower of Babel and witness tampering

by Simon in

the main premise of the bible is that satan challenged jehovahs authority and humans fell for the lie so god then gave man / satan a chance to rule to "prove" that they needed him and couldn't do it themselves.

this was for the benefit of the angels watching who are presumably easily swayed too.. not really believable and some stunning gaps of logic but let's go with it for now.. what happened next in the bible?

well, man was doing pretty good.

Jeffro

sinis:

I believe there is much more to life and our origins than most people think, or want to believe. There is truth in everything, you just have to be able to find it through research

Thanks for the non sequitur. Whatever mysteries there may be about the origins of life, they have nothing to do with the Bible, including the silly story about Babel.

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Universal sovereignty, The Tower of Babel and witness tampering

by Simon in

the main premise of the bible is that satan challenged jehovahs authority and humans fell for the lie so god then gave man / satan a chance to rule to "prove" that they needed him and couldn't do it themselves.

this was for the benefit of the angels watching who are presumably easily swayed too.. not really believable and some stunning gaps of logic but let's go with it for now.. what happened next in the bible?

well, man was doing pretty good.