i'm still determined not to vote - just to write something unpleasant about pollies on the ballot paper.
if i lived in victoria, i just may, as an act of sheer bastardry, vote for julian assange (of wikileaks fame), but i don't live in vic, so i cant.. my objection to voting is that the political choice offers two self-perpetuating oligarchies (who are something like the governing body).
they make up a slate of candidates and election advertising consists of attempting to persuade swinging voters to vote for their slate of candidates.. anyway, i noted that k.rudd has made a video in chinese, aimed apparently at mainland china.
mP:
You also have yet to tell or show why Afghans wanted or needed to leave after 2009 rather than before.
No. I don't. I don't have to do anything at all. You're a disrespectful lout not worthy of my time. I don't have to put up with your lies and insults. So get stuffed.
i'm still determined not to vote - just to write something unpleasant about pollies on the ballot paper.
if i lived in victoria, i just may, as an act of sheer bastardry, vote for julian assange (of wikileaks fame), but i don't live in vic, so i cant.. my objection to voting is that the political choice offers two self-perpetuating oligarchies (who are something like the governing body).
they make up a slate of candidates and election advertising consists of attempting to persuade swinging voters to vote for their slate of candidates.. anyway, i noted that k.rudd has made a video in chinese, aimed apparently at mainland china.
barry:
I don't care the least what Kamahl believes about this situation because he doesn't qualify as a witness . Kamahl has a bias because he is Tamil he is not on the ground in Sri Lanker and I don't know when he last visited the place. These people are hungry for money and are prepared to do anything for money.
He qualifies as a witness a hell of a lot better than you do.
i'm still determined not to vote - just to write something unpleasant about pollies on the ballot paper.
if i lived in victoria, i just may, as an act of sheer bastardry, vote for julian assange (of wikileaks fame), but i don't live in vic, so i cant.. my objection to voting is that the political choice offers two self-perpetuating oligarchies (who are something like the governing body).
they make up a slate of candidates and election advertising consists of attempting to persuade swinging voters to vote for their slate of candidates.. anyway, i noted that k.rudd has made a video in chinese, aimed apparently at mainland china.
barry:
Jeffro here are some quotes from the video, 'Sri Lanka Australian refugees the truth about why they come '
Once again, you just cherry-picked bits that suit your own view (which you misquoted in a manner that distorts the context), based on the comments of a single individual (and what you quoted as "another Tamil" was actually from the same guy), which was clearly used in the interview to indicate that there are various motivations. No one in the interview said "we are chasing a better life" as you claimed, though one guy answered "yes" to a similar question.
Here are some other quotes from the same video (transcript here):
TIM: Until three years ago the Sri Lankan Navy was involved in the vicious civil war between the majority Sinhalese and minority Tamils. It lasted more than a quarter of a century. Most of the boat people are Tamil. The war may be over, the battle isn't.
KAMAHL: Those Tamils suspected, rightly or wrongly, of hoping for a land of their own and they are being literally stamped out. And so for them, it's the worst place on earth to be.
TIM: Kamahl is Tamil. He arrived in Australia in 1953.
KAMAHL: Well, I was one of the original boat people except I did have a visa.
TIM: He believes most Tamils have good reason to flee and Australia should welcome them.
KAMAHL: Any normal human being would not risk their lives getting on a leaky boat if things were safe.
i'm still determined not to vote - just to write something unpleasant about pollies on the ballot paper.
if i lived in victoria, i just may, as an act of sheer bastardry, vote for julian assange (of wikileaks fame), but i don't live in vic, so i cant.. my objection to voting is that the political choice offers two self-perpetuating oligarchies (who are something like the governing body).
they make up a slate of candidates and election advertising consists of attempting to persuade swinging voters to vote for their slate of candidates.. anyway, i noted that k.rudd has made a video in chinese, aimed apparently at mainland china.
More BS, assumptions, misrepresentations and lies from mP. I'm done here. I've wasted more time on you already than you deserve. Do your own damn research, and step outside of your [News] Limited little world.
why dont you look up on the internet crimes comitted by jehovah`s witnesses , i think you will be very surprised.the majority of cases are comitted by dedicated baptised witnesses , not newly interested ones that you can excuse away.and the crimes range from anything minor to outright murder .. and remember ,jehovahs witnesses are only a minority religion and yet crimes comitted by them far outstrip the national average.. i`m sorry i cant put up the links .i`d appreciate it if someone can .thanks heaps.. smiddy.
joe134cd:
I know for a fact all they have no more success in marriage than the general population.
It's often claimed that 'half of all marriages end in divorce'. However, this claim is usually based on the number of marriages in a particular year compared with the number of divorces in the same year. Whilst that ratio is about 50% in many countries in the developed world, it does not properly account for the period of time between any particular marriage and subsequent divorce. That said, one study I've read about indicates that divorces are more common among people who are less educated and who marry young, both of which are common factors among JWs.
i'm still determined not to vote - just to write something unpleasant about pollies on the ballot paper.
if i lived in victoria, i just may, as an act of sheer bastardry, vote for julian assange (of wikileaks fame), but i don't live in vic, so i cant.. my objection to voting is that the political choice offers two self-perpetuating oligarchies (who are something like the governing body).
they make up a slate of candidates and election advertising consists of attempting to persuade swinging voters to vote for their slate of candidates.. anyway, i noted that k.rudd has made a video in chinese, aimed apparently at mainland china.
barry:
I tried to put the video on here with the sri Lankan saying what I quoted but couldn't get it to work.
A comment by a particular essentially anonymous individual is not representative of all Sri Lankan asylum seekers. Most are found to be legitimate refugees. It's therefore not worth my while to blindly search for that particular video (with no real way of knowing which specific video you're referring to). However, if you provide a link, I might have a look.
The tamil tigers ave been classified by 33 countries as a terrorist organisation so the Australian government has the right to look very carefully at anyone seeking asylum here. Some asylum seekers have been in detention for a number of years for good reason.
Um... okay... I never suggested otherwise. Thanks for the strawman argument.
i'm still determined not to vote - just to write something unpleasant about pollies on the ballot paper.
if i lived in victoria, i just may, as an act of sheer bastardry, vote for julian assange (of wikileaks fame), but i don't live in vic, so i cant.. my objection to voting is that the political choice offers two self-perpetuating oligarchies (who are something like the governing body).
they make up a slate of candidates and election advertising consists of attempting to persuade swinging voters to vote for their slate of candidates.. anyway, i noted that k.rudd has made a video in chinese, aimed apparently at mainland china.
Above, I said:
the amounts of money they talk about getting in Australia are very modest
I realise this will probably be leapt upon because a little bit of money in Australia is a lot to a poor Sri Lankan.
However, the amount the refugees have to pay to the people smugglers is many times more than the Australian government allowance for refugees. Based on the figures given in the SBS report linked by barry, it would take several months in Australia to be paid what it costs for the down-payment to the people smugglers in addition to the amount the refugees have to promise to pay to the smugglers after safe arrival in Australia (before living expenses). In actual terms, the amount would be owed for significantly longer.
why dont you look up on the internet crimes comitted by jehovah`s witnesses , i think you will be very surprised.the majority of cases are comitted by dedicated baptised witnesses , not newly interested ones that you can excuse away.and the crimes range from anything minor to outright murder .. and remember ,jehovahs witnesses are only a minority religion and yet crimes comitted by them far outstrip the national average.. i`m sorry i cant put up the links .i`d appreciate it if someone can .thanks heaps.. smiddy.
Julia Orwell:
Sorry Jeffro, I did mean Phizzy. I get u guys mixed up all the time for some odd reason. My bad, hope I didn't cause offense.
Yeah, I was deeply offended. I cried for hours.
My forum avatar has the same 'hair' and 'arms' as Phizzy's, and the background colour is similar (mine is brighter). Maybe that's it. (My avatar is much more dashing though.)
i'm still determined not to vote - just to write something unpleasant about pollies on the ballot paper.
if i lived in victoria, i just may, as an act of sheer bastardry, vote for julian assange (of wikileaks fame), but i don't live in vic, so i cant.. my objection to voting is that the political choice offers two self-perpetuating oligarchies (who are something like the governing body).
they make up a slate of candidates and election advertising consists of attempting to persuade swinging voters to vote for their slate of candidates.. anyway, i noted that k.rudd has made a video in chinese, aimed apparently at mainland china.
barry:
Sri Lankans are asylum seekers only they are not refugees. They are actually economic refugees
Fear of persecution classifies a person as a refugee. People of an ethnic group on the losing side of a civil war have valid concerns of persecution, particularly when people of that group have been abducted since the war ended.
i'm still determined not to vote - just to write something unpleasant about pollies on the ballot paper.
if i lived in victoria, i just may, as an act of sheer bastardry, vote for julian assange (of wikileaks fame), but i don't live in vic, so i cant.. my objection to voting is that the political choice offers two self-perpetuating oligarchies (who are something like the governing body).
they make up a slate of candidates and election advertising consists of attempting to persuade swinging voters to vote for their slate of candidates.. anyway, i noted that k.rudd has made a video in chinese, aimed apparently at mainland china.
barry:
There is a video on youtube of a Sri Lankan asylum seeker who openly admitted he was going to Australia to get rich and when asked how he would prove he is a refugee he replied ' that is the easiest part I just have to say I was tortured'.
The quote you cited does not exist at all in the video you supplied (transcript here). Additionally, the video doesn't say that all leave only for economic reasons. It's extremely naive to presume that all Sri Lankan asylum seekers try to get to Australia for the same reason. Most asylum seekers are found to be legitimate refugees.
The report says that "[paying the people smugglers] costs them every cent and every asset they have", and the amounts of money they talk about getting in Australia are very modest - about half what unemployed Australians get. People interviewed said that life in Australia is "good" but didn't say they were going there to get "rich". The report says people are leaving because of "Harassment, no food or income and still afraid of the abductions that took place as the war ended."
