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  Do you have any "one-liners" for drive-by witnessing?

  by Faithful Witness in

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  i am looking for things i can say in passing, when i meet some of my jw friends.

  we used to attend meetings, but have not been officially recognized yet, as apostates.

  we were good and curious students, but fell away and were choked out by weeds.. since i will be renewing my bible student status soon, i am hoping this will open more windows into the organization.

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  Jeffro

  FaithfulWitness:

  Do you have any ideas for simple questions I can ask, with sincerity, that might cause someone I know or meet, to start thinking critically?

  In general, take the approach suggested above by jgnat. Keep things informal.

  For JWs interested in logical analysis, you can take this approach: Get them to open their Bible to Jeremiah 25:12. Read the verse. What is the order of events? Do 70 years end before or after Babylon's king was 'called to account'? Because Babylon's king is called to account after the 70 years ends, the 70 years is not of exile, and it can't end after 539 BCE. Then send them here.
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  Changing the Goalposts

  by braincleaned in

  1. watchtower
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  creationists are not consistant with their otherwise apparant logic:.

  nothing comes from nothing check .

  everything has a beginning check .

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  snare&racket:

  It goes one more step weirder.... Unbeknown to me, my uncle owned number 15 AND number 17 which he ran as a B&B, this couple were going to a wedding in the area!

  The fact that number 17 was commercially available as holiday accommodation would make it slightly more likely that a random tourist would be going to that address.
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  Changing the Goalposts

  by braincleaned in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  creationists are not consistant with their otherwise apparant logic:.

  nothing comes from nothing check .

  everything has a beginning check .

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  tec:

  Snare, you are speaking of memory recall of things formerly learned and stored? I'm not arguing with that... or suggesting that this IS that. But that could not be an explanation of things that you had NOT learned, because no where did you ever learn such things... ever... and you know this, even if others do not believe it.

  Yeah... because you couldn't possibly have previously known that a certain Bible verse was located in the book of John.
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  Changing the Goalposts

  by braincleaned in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  creationists are not consistant with their otherwise apparant logic:.

  nothing comes from nothing check .

  everything has a beginning check .

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  tec:

  The point is not that I could not have found it by some other means... but that my Lord TOLD me. And that entire experiences teaches more than just where that verse is located. It teaches about hearing, about how easy it is to pay attention to our own runaway thoughts and reasoning, and ignore His voice.

  You're just indulging in a fantasy where you pretend that some of your own self talk is coming from someone else. It might be fun. But it isn't real. And that's fine, but it isn't proof of anything at all.
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  Changing the Goalposts

  by braincleaned in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  creationists are not consistant with their otherwise apparant logic:.

  nothing comes from nothing check .

  everything has a beginning check .

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  tec:

  "Ah Sovereign LORD, you have made the heavens and the earth by your great power and outstretched arm."

  There's nothing of value in that assertion. You may as well 'ponder' this quote from the great Qui-Gon Jinn:

  "Without the midi-chlorians, life could not exist, and we would have no knowledge of the Force. They continually speak to us, telling us the will of the Force. When you learn to quiet your mind, you'll hear them speaking to you."
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  Are we alone?

  by Xanthippe in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the title of this thread is the title of a chapter in the book by richard dawkins that i'm really enjoying in spite of or perhaps because of it having been written for young people.

  i thought i would share a couple of paragraphs on his theories of the kind of bodies aliens on other planets might have :-.

  'let's exercise our imaginations a bit more.

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  rmt1:

  As for life: The universe has made alcohol all on its own.

  The universe also came up with people all on its own. It should have stopped before Miley Cyrus though.
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  Are we alone?

  by Xanthippe in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the title of this thread is the title of a chapter in the book by richard dawkins that i'm really enjoying in spite of or perhaps because of it having been written for young people.

  i thought i would share a couple of paragraphs on his theories of the kind of bodies aliens on other planets might have :-.

  'let's exercise our imaginations a bit more.

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  snare&racket:

  What if they have been here and are responsible for religions Jeffro?

  There's much more reasonable anthropological explanations for the development of religious belief systems without resorting to alien intervention.

  Have you been reading Chariots of the Gods?
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  Changing the Goalposts

  by braincleaned in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  creationists are not consistant with their otherwise apparant logic:.

  nothing comes from nothing check .

  everything has a beginning check .

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  Jeffro

  snare&racket:

  They, as if by coincidence tske issue with evolution, the science of how dna changes over time

  This website illustrates in a simple way how natural selection works. 'Cars' are randomly generated, and successive generations of 'car' randomly inherit traits from the most 'successful' ancestors. Settings such as track type and mutation frequency can be adjusted, but it's also interesting to watch with just the defaults. As with any 'organism', 'success' is defined as suitability for a particular environment.
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  Changing the Goalposts

  by braincleaned in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  creationists are not consistant with their otherwise apparant logic:.

  nothing comes from nothing check .

  everything has a beginning check .

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  Jeffro

  snare&racket:

  The man whos wife was made from his rib in the magic garden, until a talking snake convinced them to eat a special apple though..... That they have no problem with...

  You're dismissing the historical account of dirt boy and rib girl?! Burn the heretic!
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  Are we alone?

  by Xanthippe in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the title of this thread is the title of a chapter in the book by richard dawkins that i'm really enjoying in spite of or perhaps because of it having been written for young people.

  i thought i would share a couple of paragraphs on his theories of the kind of bodies aliens on other planets might have :-.

  'let's exercise our imaginations a bit more.

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  Jeffro

  It's not so much a question of whether there is life in other parts of the universe, but whether they could or would ever encounter us. It seems more likely that any beings sufficiently sophisticated to be able to visit Earth would scarcely be interested.

  And if they do, you'd better hope they're friendly.