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  About 1914?

  by Slidin Fast in

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  the following appars in the new, new world translation bloatware section under "the message of the bible".

  "about 1914 c.e.. jesus hurls the serpent, satan, to the earth, confining him there for a short time.revelation 12:7-9, 12.".

  err, urm, err ok?

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  London111:

  In the past, it appears they were very specific, even nailing down to the day: 3/26/1918.
  Oops. You are correct.

  Yeah, what were you thinking?! They'd never say that. That would be crazy.
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  About 1914?

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the following appars in the new, new world translation bloatware section under "the message of the bible".

  "about 1914 c.e.. jesus hurls the serpent, satan, to the earth, confining him there for a short time.revelation 12:7-9, 12.".

  err, urm, err ok?

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  Londo111:

  In the past, it appears they were very specific, even nailing down to the day: 3/26/1918.

  No. It says "by the time of" that date, which means some time before. They never said it happened on that date.
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  About 1914?

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the following appars in the new, new world translation bloatware section under "the message of the bible".

  "about 1914 c.e.. jesus hurls the serpent, satan, to the earth, confining him there for a short time.revelation 12:7-9, 12.".

  err, urm, err ok?

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  Londo111:

  I believe they taught that Satan was kicked out in 1918,

  No. However, they also do not officially believe that Satan was 'cast out of heaven' in 1914, but only that 'war broke out in heaven' then, leading up to evicting Satan. They are fairly vague about how long that imaginary event took.

  The most specific thing they've said (in 1968) is:

  *** w68 7/1 p. 413 Letting All Men See Jehovah’s Victory Processions ***
  In modern times Jehovah won a great victory by means of the Greater David, Jesus Christ, when he and his angels cast Satan and his angels out of heaven between 1914 and 1918.
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  About 1914?

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the following appars in the new, new world translation bloatware section under "the message of the bible".

  "about 1914 c.e.. jesus hurls the serpent, satan, to the earth, confining him there for a short time.revelation 12:7-9, 12.".

  err, urm, err ok?

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  Faithful Witness:

  Or, do they just mean "about," as in "regarding 1914?"

  No.

  
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  Another Revised NWT Thread - subtly sowing seeds of doubt with chart

  by mindnumbed in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  pages 1744 thru 1746 feature a chart of the kings of the southern kingdom, ending with zedekiah in 607.. praise the new bible and all of the teaching aids .... draw attention to kings list and how convenient that is ... but, strangely, i decided to look up information in an encyclopedia about the different kings, and the dates are not the same ... so i checked a couple of sources and they are all different than the chart in the bible .... why would that be?.

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  Emery:

  The majority of believeing Jws could care less

  No they couldn't. But that's kind of the point.
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  Another Revised NWT Thread - subtly sowing seeds of doubt with chart

  by mindnumbed in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  pages 1744 thru 1746 feature a chart of the kings of the southern kingdom, ending with zedekiah in 607.. praise the new bible and all of the teaching aids .... draw attention to kings list and how convenient that is ... but, strangely, i decided to look up information in an encyclopedia about the different kings, and the dates are not the same ... so i checked a couple of sources and they are all different than the chart in the bible .... why would that be?.

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  NeverKnew:

  For those who do not have the new Bible, is the RNWT chart online?

  The new NWT is available online. The charts start on page 1744.

  The charts are also presented (poorly) as text on the JW website in two separate parts.
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  Another Revised NWT Thread - subtly sowing seeds of doubt with chart

  by mindnumbed in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  pages 1744 thru 1746 feature a chart of the kings of the southern kingdom, ending with zedekiah in 607.. praise the new bible and all of the teaching aids .... draw attention to kings list and how convenient that is ... but, strangely, i decided to look up information in an encyclopedia about the different kings, and the dates are not the same ... so i checked a couple of sources and they are all different than the chart in the bible .... why would that be?.

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  Another example of problems with the JW chronology for the kings of Israel is that the gap between their chronology and reality increases to 68 years by the time of Rehoboam and Jeroboam. (This specific duration is deliberately manufactured to shift the end of Ezekiel's '390 years' to the fall of Jerusalem, though that period should end only once they'd 'atoned for their sins'. The difference of 68 years corresponds to the period from the JW's alleged fall of Jerusalem until the subsequent fall of the Babylonian empire in 539.)

  This causes problems with correlating their chronology with secular history. For example, Assyrian inscriptions indicate that Shalmaneser III was contemporaneous with king Ahab, at the Battle of Karkar. The date of the battle is determined by secular historians as being in 853 B.C.E., based on astronomical observations.

  In the JW chronology, there are 61 years between the end of Ahab's reign and the beginning of Shalmaneser's. Insight devotes more than a full page trying to debunk the fact that Ahab and Shalmaneser's reigns overlapped. However, in reality, Ahab was indeed contemporaneous with Shalmaneser III.

  As seen in the chart I provided earlier, in 853 B.C.E. Ahab was co-regent with Jehoram, even though I gave no consideration to Shalmaneser's reign when determining the Bible's chronology.

  
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  Another Revised NWT Thread - subtly sowing seeds of doubt with chart

  by mindnumbed in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  pages 1744 thru 1746 feature a chart of the kings of the southern kingdom, ending with zedekiah in 607.. praise the new bible and all of the teaching aids .... draw attention to kings list and how convenient that is ... but, strangely, i decided to look up information in an encyclopedia about the different kings, and the dates are not the same ... so i checked a couple of sources and they are all different than the chart in the bible .... why would that be?.

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  DATA-DOG:

  Your blog is awesome. Is there an even simpler explanation than your simplified page for beginners?

  Hmmm... that's a challenge. I'm not really sure how to simplify it further without limiting the information presented. I'm open to suggestions.

  Some people like to point out that the Neo-Babylonian period can be indicated from Watch Tower Society publications as agreeing with secular chronology of the period, and that's considerd a fairly simple approach. However, the JW publications in question only state that the lengths of each reign are those provided by secular sources, and they never actually say they agree with them.
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  Another Revised NWT Thread - subtly sowing seeds of doubt with chart

  by mindnumbed in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  pages 1744 thru 1746 feature a chart of the kings of the southern kingdom, ending with zedekiah in 607.. praise the new bible and all of the teaching aids .... draw attention to kings list and how convenient that is ... but, strangely, i decided to look up information in an encyclopedia about the different kings, and the dates are not the same ... so i checked a couple of sources and they are all different than the chart in the bible .... why would that be?.

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  Jeffro

  The correct chart looks like this:

  
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  What Would a Country Run by Evangelical Christianity Look Like?

  by cofty in

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  on an earlier thread i made the statement that, "an evangelical christian government would look a lot like the taliban".. laika asked me incredulously, "do you really think your friends from your old church would govern like the taliban!?".

  i thought it was a really interesting question and might work as a separate thread.. the people i worshipped with were mostly a nice bunch of people, but the thought of them having secular power would make me shudder.. christianity is mostly harmless because it lacks power.

  christian politicians are restrained by secular laws and constitutions.

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  unstopableravens:

  well i would happy if abortion was illegal .!

  If you don't like abortions, don't have one. Same goes for gay marriages. It really isn't complicated