Posts by Jeffro

19

Armageddon question

by caroline77 in

who do jw's think is going to kill everyone at armageddon?.

how will it happen?.

what is their evidence?.

Jeffro

caroline77:

Who do JW's think is going to kill everyone at Armageddon?

Jehovah and his other invisible friends, Jesus and the angels, will apparently do the killing. Using time-honoured methods like storms and earthquakes, and maybe "antimatter" according to some old issues of The Watchtower.

How will it happen?

It's all very vague (as is most bad fiction), but apparently after the nations 'ban religion', then they'll attack JWs (who for some reason they save for last), and just before they do, Jehovah does a magic thing.

What is their evidence?

LOL

Who will be resurrected afterwards? Only JW's?

Supposedly there may be many 'righteous and unrighteous' resurrected people who died before Armageddon, including people who died throughout history before JWs existed, but no one who dies during Armageddon. Exactly who from thoughout history is entirely speculative.

According to the JW website, only JWs and those who "may yet take a stand for Bible truth" (= 'become JWs') will actually survive Armageddon.

102

Since leaving the truth, do you celebrate holidays, and does your participation in such bring you happiness?

by Stand for Pure Worship in

jw
friends

i ask this respectfully, and do so after watching a favorite show of mine's season opener which had a new years storyline.

hollywood tends to make movies and television show episodes centered around holiday themes appear warm and blissful.

while i'm thankful to have never participated in such holidays, i can't deny my curiosity about ex-jws that do celebrate.

Jeffro

Stand for Pure Worship:

While I'm thankful to have never participated in such holidays,

That statement borders on pathological. A person with a healthy mind would not feel the need to be thankful for not voluntarily participating in any particular celebration. (This might be different if were talking about some ritual that requires drug use, violence, or some other objectionable treatment that might later be regretted.) They might be ambivalent about the celebration, or even opposed to the celebration. But thankful? If you don't want to participate in a voluntary celebration, then just don't. But it's just stupid to be so naive to (claim to) not understand that other people enjoy voluntarily celebrating or to be 'thankful' to have not voluntarily participated.

19

BEHOLD! THE GRAND CLIMAX IS AT HAND!

by Brother Mike in

dear friends of jwn,.

the time is now.

it is time to prepare for the "grand climax".

Jeffro

Stand for Pure Worship:

I swear there is no other group of people that scream more false alarms and predictions than the ex-JW community.

That's hilarious coming from a JW.

But it's even funnier because the post isn't a prediction. It is advice. The "GRAND CLIMAX" is merely a rhetorical device in reference to what the result would be if a great number of questioning JWs followed the advice. You apparently lack comprehension skills.

Still no comments from you to defend the JW interpretation of Jeremiah 29:10...

56

IS it possible that Paul was just a failed Pharisee that

by confusedandalone in

jw
friends

saw an opening?.

if we look at christianity it appears that pauls teaching are what formulate it and not jesus.

paul often contradicts the words that are "supposedly" spoken by jesus repeatedly.

Jeffro

confusedandalone:

saw an opening?

Absolutely.

The stories about Jesus were cobbled together from earlier myths from other civilisations along with supposed 'fulfilments' of 'prophecies' (many of which were never even intended as 'prophecies' at all).

Paul came along, co-opted stories about Jesus and shoe-horned in his own teachings into his new quasi-Judaism. (It's probably more correct to say he shoe-horned stuff about Jesus into his own teachings.)

Centuries later, the Romans saw 'Christianity' as a means to maintain control of the empire.

And here we are.

80

Is the WTS backing away from "Bible Tall Tales" ?

by Simon in

when i was a kid, it seemed like not a meeting went by when you didn't hear about jonah or sampson and other tall tales from the bible.. now though, they seem to have been sidelined.

i guess the rest of the world caught on to the fact that these stories couldn't possibly be true and were so far fetched (yeah, even by bible standards) that they are just treated as 'stories' like aesop's fables.

saying that you believe in them as genuine accounts just makes you look like a crazy zealot.. but the wts is different.

Jeffro

jam:

Ex-brother-in law, while traveling in the Grand Canyon how can anyone not believe there wasn't a great flood. This man attended college.

Just a hunch, but I'm guessing he didn't study geology.

148

Well it is time for me to say GOODBYE!!!

by mouthy in

it has been nice talking with you.but i seem to upset a few because of my faith.. so have a great christmas.... & be good, i wont be here to send you to your rooms .

i have grown close to many of you.... if i have ever said anything to hurt you sorry!!!!.

when i kick the bucket i am sure "mary" who ssometimes post will let you know.. mouthy grace gough.

Jeffro

mouthy:

It has been nice talking with you.But I seem to upset a few because of my faith.

That's not a good reason to leave.

If some people are 'upset' by your faith, they should be big enough and ugly enough to deal with it.

You're outspoken, and rightfully so, and I'm a little surprised that you would be dissuaded from the forum by others who are also outspoken.

80

Is the WTS backing away from "Bible Tall Tales" ?

by Simon in

when i was a kid, it seemed like not a meeting went by when you didn't hear about jonah or sampson and other tall tales from the bible.. now though, they seem to have been sidelined.

i guess the rest of the world caught on to the fact that these stories couldn't possibly be true and were so far fetched (yeah, even by bible standards) that they are just treated as 'stories' like aesop's fables.

saying that you believe in them as genuine accounts just makes you look like a crazy zealot.. but the wts is different.

Jeffro

Comatose:

And the spies got to stay with a prostitute. I remember even as a fully in young witness thinking those spies probably saw some action.

Yeah, but there were two spies. So there was never a man and a woman left alone together. What could possibly go wrong?

80

Is the WTS backing away from "Bible Tall Tales" ?

by Simon in

when i was a kid, it seemed like not a meeting went by when you didn't hear about jonah or sampson and other tall tales from the bible.. now though, they seem to have been sidelined.

i guess the rest of the world caught on to the fact that these stories couldn't possibly be true and were so far fetched (yeah, even by bible standards) that they are just treated as 'stories' like aesop's fables.

saying that you believe in them as genuine accounts just makes you look like a crazy zealot.. but the wts is different.

Jeffro

jgnat:

They started in the 15th century, BC, as a reaction to oppressive Muslim rule.

Muslims. In the 15th century BC. That seems... unlikely.

80

Is the WTS backing away from "Bible Tall Tales" ?

by Simon in

when i was a kid, it seemed like not a meeting went by when you didn't hear about jonah or sampson and other tall tales from the bible.. now though, they seem to have been sidelined.

i guess the rest of the world caught on to the fact that these stories couldn't possibly be true and were so far fetched (yeah, even by bible standards) that they are just treated as 'stories' like aesop's fables.

saying that you believe in them as genuine accounts just makes you look like a crazy zealot.. but the wts is different.

Jeffro

Comatose:

No witness I know thinks the earth is 6,000 yrs old.

It's unlikely that many do believe that. It's not an official teaching.

The official teaching 'generously' says that the creative days (combined) may be "many thousands" (but never "millions" or "billions") of years. (There has never actually been any statement from the Watch Tower Society explicitly countering the old claim that each 'creative day' was 7000 years, but it's no longer explicitly stated.) However, the planet itself is supposed to have been created prior to those.

The JW website claims that JWs are not "creationists" because they don't consider the 'creative days' to be literal 24-hour days like "some creationists" do. They completely ignore the fact that they are in fact "day-age creationists".

80

Is the WTS backing away from "Bible Tall Tales" ?

by Simon in

when i was a kid, it seemed like not a meeting went by when you didn't hear about jonah or sampson and other tall tales from the bible.. now though, they seem to have been sidelined.

i guess the rest of the world caught on to the fact that these stories couldn't possibly be true and were so far fetched (yeah, even by bible standards) that they are just treated as 'stories' like aesop's fables.

saying that you believe in them as genuine accounts just makes you look like a crazy zealot.. but the wts is different.

Jeffro

mouthy:

The Devil, killed more than that in one hour in the Philliphanins the other day!!!!

No, mouthy. Just, no.

Even a Bible-believing Christian should know better than that. See Ecclesiastes 9:11.

There. There's your stoning.