Posts by Jeffro

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Why does Organic Chemistry prove God's exists?

by KateWild in

so bring it on, and lay the evidence on me, kate (but perhaps you should start a new thread).-adam.

it does not prove god exists, there is no substantial evidence god is real.

if one is a self labeled atheist, one has no desire to see gods fingerprints in organic chemistry.

Jeffro

KateWild:

The example is real. It is comaparable in the sense that we can predict things without all the data. If there is a risk of harm or danger we asses the risk and make our own predictions. We decide what is or isn't probable. We don't all agree.

Your other example is not at all comparable. 'Carbon is complex' is a subjective assertion, not data that can be used for calculating the probability of a supernatural 'creator'. Apart from that, 'predicting' based on limited or no data is called guessing. You might suppose or conclude that there is a 'creator' based on your opinions, but that has no bearing on any probability.

Organic chemistry is one way I enquire about theological theories, science without religion is lame. You don't get the full picture if they aren't combined. In turn religion without science is blind, you get uneducated churgoers who worship God with no idea about the scientific facts. This is dangerous.

Statements like "science without religion is lame" and "religion with science is blind" are rhetorical throwaway sound-bites. Scientists have accomplished a great deal for humanity without needing to defer to religion. Religious superstitions have often been an impediment to the growth of knowledge.

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Why does Organic Chemistry prove God's exists?

by KateWild in

so bring it on, and lay the evidence on me, kate (but perhaps you should start a new thread).-adam.

it does not prove god exists, there is no substantial evidence god is real.

if one is a self labeled atheist, one has no desire to see gods fingerprints in organic chemistry.

Jeffro

KateWild:

I think of God and strike up dialogue with him. Albeit shouting, still a dialogue.

Nope. That isn't dialogue. If you're hearing a response when you're talking (or shouting) to God, see a doctor.

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Why does Organic Chemistry prove God's exists?

by KateWild in

so bring it on, and lay the evidence on me, kate (but perhaps you should start a new thread).-adam.

it does not prove god exists, there is no substantial evidence god is real.

if one is a self labeled atheist, one has no desire to see gods fingerprints in organic chemistry.

Jeffro

KateWild:

If a man beats his child for 3 yrs at 6months intervals approx, is it probable he will beat his son in the next 6 months? I would say it is probable and allow the child to live with his mother as he wishes. It's not testable, and nor should it be, but the probability of beatings recurring is high.

That hypothetical example isn't remotely similar to your assertion about 'carbon and God'. It's based on a specific (but hopefully fictitious) sample of data, and it is testable. But probably better not to though.

Carbon is complex and beautiful, so I think of God. There is not need to test my theory, no one has proven my theory wrong, but I am open minded to the possiblity and it fuels my enquiry into science further to test my theory or prove myself wrong.

'Beautiful' is entirely subjective. 'Carbon is complex and beautiful' is meaningless as a data sample for testing probability of the existence of God. As already stated, it is not possible to test your 'theory'. But if there were a testable theory for the existence of God, given all the claims Christians make about how important it is to believe in God, there would certainly be a 'need' to test such a theory.

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Why does Organic Chemistry prove God's exists?

by KateWild in

so bring it on, and lay the evidence on me, kate (but perhaps you should start a new thread).-adam.

it does not prove god exists, there is no substantial evidence god is real.

if one is a self labeled atheist, one has no desire to see gods fingerprints in organic chemistry.

Jeffro

KateWild:

I don't think you want to see evidience of an intelligent creator, because God is such an enormous indifferent jerk. This anger towards God can, in MANY, atheists stop enquiry in science with religion.

You do realise, don't you, that atheists don't believe God exists?! By definition, atheists cannot be 'angry at God'. They might reason that the biblical character is a bit of a jerk, but that's an entirely different (and completely justifiable) thing altogether.

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Why does Organic Chemistry prove God's exists?

by KateWild in

so bring it on, and lay the evidence on me, kate (but perhaps you should start a new thread).-adam.

it does not prove god exists, there is no substantial evidence god is real.

if one is a self labeled atheist, one has no desire to see gods fingerprints in organic chemistry.

Jeffro

KateWild:

I see your point, but you haven't given me your understanding of probabilities. You are just saying my understanding is a joke. Well that is your opinion. I am afraid I disagree with you as you have no substance to support your position of knowing what probability is. Probabilities can be predicted in many ways.

I'm not saying your 'understanding' (=opinion) is a joke (but nor is it a particularly new idea). It just has nothing to do with probability.

Concluding that there is probably an intelligent creator on the basis that carbon is complex is an (untestable) hypothesis.

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Why does Organic Chemistry prove God's exists?

by KateWild in

so bring it on, and lay the evidence on me, kate (but perhaps you should start a new thread).-adam.

it does not prove god exists, there is no substantial evidence god is real.

if one is a self labeled atheist, one has no desire to see gods fingerprints in organic chemistry.

Jeffro

KateWild:

The structure of carbon is one piece of data, the suffering of human kind is another piece of data. This is not enough data to draw a substantial conclusion.

It's not the right kind of data to draw any conclusion about probability.

But with my knowledge and personal experience I have much more data to draw a more accurate concusion.

Your 'evidence' is entirely anecdotal and does not form any basis for the probability of 'an intelligent creator'.

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Naughtiness in my bathroom

by usualusername in

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i have some guests coming over to spend xmas with me for a couple of days.

they are my friends family and i have a larger place than them and am playing host.. dilemma.

they are christians and i have some postcards in my bathroom that are slightly naughty.

Jeffro

usualusername:

They are Christians

'Christians' and 'naughty humour' are not mutually exclusive.

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Why does Organic Chemistry prove God's exists?

by KateWild in

so bring it on, and lay the evidence on me, kate (but perhaps you should start a new thread).-adam.

it does not prove god exists, there is no substantial evidence god is real.

if one is a self labeled atheist, one has no desire to see gods fingerprints in organic chemistry.

Jeffro

KateWild:

The knowledge I have in my personal experience increases the probability of a intelligent Creator

I guess Ultimate Axiom beat me to it, but it deserves mentioning again...

You clearly do not understand probability.

Asserting that the structure of carbon 'makes something more likely' has no actual effect on the probability of anything at all. I could just as easily assert that the structure of carbon makes UFOs or fairies or bunyips 'more likely'.

It's my understanding that if you have more evidence of one thing than another then one thing is more proabable than the other.

The only facts you've shown are some properties of carbon; you haven't provided any evidence of anything else.

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Divine Name display at Watchtower

by mindnumbed in

this is being shared on facebook.

the beginning says "bible showcase" brooklyn, ny.. http://secure.smilebox.com/ecom/openthebox?sendevent=4d7a67794f4455784d7a493d0d0a&blogview=true&campaign=blog_playback_link&partner=msn.

Jeffro

Are we seriously expected to believe that the Watch Tower Society has the Moabite Stone? It, and probably everything else on display there, is a copy. The original is in the Louvre.

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Why does Organic Chemistry prove God's exists?

by KateWild in

so bring it on, and lay the evidence on me, kate (but perhaps you should start a new thread).-adam.

it does not prove god exists, there is no substantial evidence god is real.

if one is a self labeled atheist, one has no desire to see gods fingerprints in organic chemistry.

Jeffro

KateWild:

Because I am more religious than an atheist.

And I'm taller than a midget.

It is however, more probable to conclude there is a Creator. In as far as the laws of probabilities are concerned, there is compeling evidence just in the structure of carbon to promote a high probability of an intelligent Creator.

Except that it's not. The structure of carbon has no bearing at all on the probability of the existence of an 'intelligent creator'. It's just a rhetorical assertion.