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  Another problem for JW apologists

  by Jeffro in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the 2013 edition of the new world translation renders 2 kings 17:1 as:.

  in the 12th year of king ahaz of judah, hoshea the son of elah became king over israel in samaria; he ruled for nine years.. this is in fact a better rendering than the previous nwt, which stated:.

  in the twelfth year of ahaz the king of judah, hoshea the son of elah became king in samaria over israel for nine years.. despite their improved rendering, the watch tower society still claims that hoshea's reign 'really' began in 758 bce, but that it was 'established' in the 12th year of ahaz.

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  I have updated my timeline to include the '65 years for Ephraim' of Isaiah 7:8. It is now available here and the old copy has been removed.
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  Do you beleive in ghosts??

  by quellycatface in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was always told it was satan and his demons making people think they exist.

  not sure.

  i always thought the guy that excavated king tutenkahmun had a curse on him though.. .

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  bohm:

  oh my god do you know what this means? time travelling ghosts are copying rifs story on the internet!

  I can't think of any other plausible explanation.
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  Do you beleive in ghosts??

  by quellycatface in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was always told it was satan and his demons making people think they exist.

  not sure.

  i always thought the guy that excavated king tutenkahmun had a curse on him though.. .

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  dazed but not confused:

  RIF- Are sharing The Smiling Man story as if it was your own experience?

  Not only that, but it seems RIF has been 'quite busy' telling this 'personal story'.

  There are 4 pages of Google results with exactly the same text.

  RIF:

  OMG, they made a movie about my ghost experience!?!

  The original author of the story ('blue_tidal' on Reddit) already knew a short film had been made.
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  Do you beleive in ghosts??

  by quellycatface in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was always told it was satan and his demons making people think they exist.

  not sure.

  i always thought the guy that excavated king tutenkahmun had a curse on him though.. .

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  Seraphim23:

  Here is me on TV a few years ago telling my ghost story.

  Seriously? That's your 'smoking gun' for the existence of 'ghosts'? A five-year-old kid imagined seeing a magician while there was a magic show on television? Some time later, the kid sees a picture of a 'chinese magician' and convinces himself that it's exactly the same as what he imagined. That is evidence that kids imagine stuff and that memories are plastic.
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  Oslo hypothesis vs. Jonsson hypothesis

  by scholar in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it has been announced that two forthcoming volumes examing the secular and biblical ecidence for bible chronology are due for publication in the spring, 2003. rolf furuli a semitic language scholar provides a new approach to the many problems associated with current chronology.

  it should be interesting to see how this book will be reviewed in the scholarly literature and compare this material with jonsson's gentile times reconsidered.

  to date i am unaware of any scholarly review of the jonsson hypothesis.

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  Thanks Fisherman for re-raising this old pseudo-scholar thread. I needed a good laugh. Even the contrasting names of the so-called 'hypotheses' is misleading. Supposedly Furuli represents the whole of Oslo, whereas Jonsson is made to appear that disproving 607 is merely 'his' view. What utter rubbish.
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  Thoughts on going back, am I the only one that feels this way?

  by excaliber in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello everyone, i know you have heard this topic before and your probably thinking.

  ...not again lol.. but i was wondering if anyone has thought of going back for the same reasons as myself, i don't think its the truth but i searched and my conclusion is that other religions don't have the truth, they are all wrong in my opinion.

  if there is no other religion to go too, why leave were i was born and raised.

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  excaliber:

  How do I feel about watchtower lies? Well I think all religion is a lie, so what is the difference.

  There's no reason at all why you should choose any of them.
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  Rolf Furuli's accusation about VAT 4956 being tampered with?

  by possiblepineapple in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i'm sorry but can someone here explain what this is about.

  i saw someone on here called scholar on here saying that it somehow destroyed both coj and hermann hunger but how?

  how does rolf furuli know that it was tampered with?

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  hamsterbait:

  The Insight books easily prove the date of jerusalems fall, simply by referencing the Kings going back from Belshazzar.
  They cannot provide the names of even one missing king.

  Side point...

  This reminds me of Insight's 'explanation' for why there is no Egyptian record of the 'Exodus':

  Thus, after the death of Queen Hatshepsut, Thutmose III had her name and representations chiseled out of the monumental reliefs. This practice doubtless explains why there is no known Egyptian record of the 215 years of Israelite residence in Egypt or of their Exodus.

  Sorry... whose name did they chisel out of the monumental reliefs?! Apparently a failed attempt to erase records of one individual is 'evidence' for there being absolutely no record of 215 years of Israelite presence in Egypt. That's the 'quality' of Watch Tower Society 'scholarship' we're dealing with for 'explaining' the 20-year gap in their chronology of the Neo-Babylonian period.
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  Rolf Furuli's accusation about VAT 4956 being tampered with?

  by possiblepineapple in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i'm sorry but can someone here explain what this is about.

  i saw someone on here called scholar on here saying that it somehow destroyed both coj and hermann hunger but how?

  how does rolf furuli know that it was tampered with?

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  Jeffro

  There's no reason why scholars would 'tamper' with the tablet. There's simply no motive for 'changing' the original cuneiform on the tablet. When scholars translate such tablets, they note in their translations if they believe something is in error. And it would be incredibily difficult to make a convincing alteration in ancient cuneiform to a hard stone tablet. There certainly was no grand 'conspiracy' to 'change' the tablet just to make the Bible Students 'seem' wrong. Furuli is lucky that the people who translated the tablet in the early 20th century are already dead because otherwise he'd probably have a defamation suit on his hands.
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  Another problem for JW apologists

  by Jeffro in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the 2013 edition of the new world translation renders 2 kings 17:1 as:.

  in the 12th year of king ahaz of judah, hoshea the son of elah became king over israel in samaria; he ruled for nine years.. this is in fact a better rendering than the previous nwt, which stated:.

  in the twelfth year of ahaz the king of judah, hoshea the son of elah became king in samaria over israel for nine years.. despite their improved rendering, the watch tower society still claims that hoshea's reign 'really' began in 758 bce, but that it was 'established' in the 12th year of ahaz.

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  scholar:

  I would not sell the average person short because the Bible was not written for the intellectuals or the wise but rather for the average Joe who is also humble at heart.

  Once again, 'scholar' parrots Watch Tower Society drivel (though this particular piece of drivel is common to many religious groups). Members of religious sects such as 'scholar' do not seek to learn 'Bible truth' for themselves, but prefer to be spoonfed whatever their leaders provide. Whilst it's certainly true that tools exist that enable anyone with a reasonable education to consider the original text, the waffle about 'humility' is just religious rhetoric.
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  Another problem for JW apologists

  by Jeffro in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the 2013 edition of the new world translation renders 2 kings 17:1 as:.

  in the 12th year of king ahaz of judah, hoshea the son of elah became king over israel in samaria; he ruled for nine years.. this is in fact a better rendering than the previous nwt, which stated:.

  in the twelfth year of ahaz the king of judah, hoshea the son of elah became king in samaria over israel for nine years.. despite their improved rendering, the watch tower society still claims that hoshea's reign 'really' began in 758 bce, but that it was 'established' in the 12th year of ahaz.

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  Fisherman:

  With that said, the average person is not qualified to choose scientifically and or scholasticaly between both views. ALSO, since the Bible is written in a foreign language, the average person is not qualified to understand the Bible. Readng only a translator's interpretation, a version of what the writer meant.

  The 'average' person can use tools such as an interlinear and a concordance to get a sense of the actual original meaning of the words used. That is the purpose of such publications. The reader is therefore not at all limited to only "a translator's interpretation". The claim that 'the average person is not qualified to understand the Bible' sounds like something straight out of Middle-Ages Catholocism.