Posts by Jeffro

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Yes, it's... ANOTHER problem with JW chronology...

by Jeffro in

according to the watch tower society, ahaziah (of judah) reigned for a single year, in 906bce.

the watch tower society also claims that judah and israel both used nisan-based dating for the start of reigns.. according to 2 kings 9:29, ahaziah's reign began in the 11th year of jehoram (of israel).

of course, if judah and israel were both using nisan-based dating, ahaziah's single year of reign couldn't have started in both years.

Jeffro

jamclark:

Most reigns start in the civil year (fall, as in 6 months after the scriptural year). The months before generally don't count and is called the ascension period.

I have already determined mathematically that reigns in Judah were based on the civil calendar (i.e. Tishri-based) and that reigns in Israel were based on the the sacred (not 'scriptural') calendar (Nisan-based). (Claiming that both used Tishri-based years would result in anomalies similar to those introduced by the Watch Tower Society's claim that both used Nisan-based years.) Additionally, comparison of various verses indicates that the Jews counted the accession (not 'ascension') period as part of the reign prior to Babylonian influence. (It should also be noted that the Jews had different names for the months prior to Babylonian influence.)

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next week's bible reading (Gen. 1-5) stumpers.for your "in" family conversations & sly comments.

by prologos in

you may add many, but here are two:.

1) vegetation made on day 3, animals formed day 5,6, but- then.

in gen 2, man seems to be the primary creation, and vegetation and then animals were formed from the dust and brought to him to name them.

Jeffro

prologos:

I am putting you on

I'd never have guessed.

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next week's bible reading (Gen. 1-5) stumpers.for your "in" family conversations & sly comments.

by prologos in

you may add many, but here are two:.

1) vegetation made on day 3, animals formed day 5,6, but- then.

in gen 2, man seems to be the primary creation, and vegetation and then animals were formed from the dust and brought to him to name them.

Jeffro

prologos:

actually the sun was made earlier, but the free-floating earth was captured by the sun's gravity and went into its permanent I AU orbit, and THUS the sun became the eart's day star.

yuhhuh... sure it was.

That must be 'true', because that's the best way of 'reconciling' the obvious mythology in the Bible with reality.

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next week's bible reading (Gen. 1-5) stumpers.for your "in" family conversations & sly comments.

by prologos in

you may add many, but here are two:.

1) vegetation made on day 3, animals formed day 5,6, but- then.

in gen 2, man seems to be the primary creation, and vegetation and then animals were formed from the dust and brought to him to name them.

Jeffro

prologos:

1) vegetation made on day 3, animals formed day 5,6

And on the fourth day, the Lord didst sayeth unto himselves, "ah crap, the vegetation isn't doing well. I'd better make the sun."

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next week's bible reading (Gen. 1-5) stumpers.for your "in" family conversations & sly comments.

by prologos in

you may add many, but here are two:.

1) vegetation made on day 3, animals formed day 5,6, but- then.

in gen 2, man seems to be the primary creation, and vegetation and then animals were formed from the dust and brought to him to name them.

Jeffro

Humans die because they were CUT off from their official diet, including the tree of life

JWs cling to the idea that the story of Adam and Eve is literal (most mainstream churches say the story is 'allegorical'). But the JWs still claim that the fruit of the 'tree of knowledge' was symbolic. That is, they say there was actually a piece of fruit, but they try to 'de-magic' the fruit, claiming that eating the fruit 'represented' disobedience rather than a property of the fruit itself. But then they're still stuck with the problem of God supposedly having to prevent them from eating from the other 'magical' tree.

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next week's bible reading (Gen. 1-5) stumpers.for your "in" family conversations & sly comments.

by prologos in

you may add many, but here are two:.

1) vegetation made on day 3, animals formed day 5,6, but- then.

in gen 2, man seems to be the primary creation, and vegetation and then animals were formed from the dust and brought to him to name them.

Jeffro

Genesis 4:17:  Afterward Cain had intercourse with his wife and she became pregnant and gave birth to E′noch. Then he engaged in building a city and called the city’s name by the name of his son E′noch.

JWs sometimes like to gloat about the supposedly 'satisfying' answer to Where did Cain get his wife? The Watchtower of 1 January 2004 gives a summary (purportedly one of the 'highlights' of the deplorable book of Genesis): "So Cain took one of his sisters or perhaps one of his nieces as a wife." That's right... he married... his sister, or maybe a niece. Ah... what a satisfying answer.

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Mormons getting hollowed out: The tipping point has occurred.

by Qcmbr in

ever since mitt romney turned the spotlight on the lds church a growing tsunami of disaffection has been accelerated and brought to a head.. the lds core faithful members are leaving in increasing numbers such that growth has not simply stagnated in the west but it has actively reversed.

to their credit the church is responding aggressively but not only is it too late, it is an impossible task.

you can only paint sh*t so many ways.

Jeffro

It's probably just a co-incidence, but I noticed in the graph above that there was a spike in LDS membership in 1975. I wonder how many of those were disaffected JWs.

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The most disturbing Watchtower quote in 2013.

by never a jw in

i am trying to put together the worst of 2013. the first quote that comes to mind is possibly your "favorite" too.

do you have any other disturbing quotes from the publications in the wt?.

elders who are reading this article can draw some useful conclusions from the account we have just considered: (1) the most practical step that we can take to prepare for the coming attack of the assyrian is that of strengthening our faith in god and helping our brothers to do the same.

Jeffro

from a strategic or human standpoint

What are the other (non-human) strategies JW members might be considering (in contrast to the 'directions' from the Watch Tower Society)??

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WT Study Article Counsels JWs To Be Humane Towards Disfellowshiped Ones

by baldeagle in

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wt august 1, 1974 pp.

467-468 maintaining a balanced viewpoint toward disfellowshiped ones.

5 it is right to hate the wrong committed by the disfellowshiped one, but it is not right to hate the person nor is it right to treat such ones in an inhumane way.suppose, then, a member of a christian congregation boating on a lake were to see another boat containing a disfellowshiped person capsize, throwing the disfellowshiped one into the water where he struggled to stay afloat.

Jeffro

blondie:

Even in the 1930 to 1985 Index references, 1974 references disappear or are hidden away.

It is broadly covered under Disfellowshipping in the 1930-1985 Index.

discussion: w83 1/1 30-31; w81 9/15 16-31; w74 460, 463-473; ad 549-550; w63 409-414

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Another problem for JW apologists

by Jeffro in

the 2013 edition of the new world translation renders 2 kings 17:1 as:.

in the 12th year of king ahaz of judah, hoshea the son of elah became king over israel in samaria; he ruled for nine years.. this is in fact a better rendering than the previous nwt, which stated:.

in the twelfth year of ahaz the king of judah, hoshea the son of elah became king in samaria over israel for nine years.. despite their improved rendering, the watch tower society still claims that hoshea's reign 'really' began in 758 bce, but that it was 'established' in the 12th year of ahaz.

Jeffro

scholar (22 December 2013):

I have my daughter and grandkids over Xmas but will respond to those posts that I have missed when they leave mid this week.

Still waiting...