Posts by Jeffro

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WITNESSES FEAR THE TRUTH - WIKIPEDIA

by The Searcher in

every time i submit the following update to wikipeda - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/kingdom_hall#funding - some poor deluded individual/s keeps deleting.. i wonder who it could be?????????.

"as of may 2014, the funding of kingdom hall construction around the world has changed, as per the instructions of the governing body's letter to all congregations, downloadable from this link - http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/279067/1/2014-03-29-boe-confidentials-pdf-adjustment-to-financing-kingdom-hall-and-assembly-hall-construction-worldwide.

the previous form of funding was facilitated by entirely by voluntary donations.

Jeffro

The Searcher:

If I'd known that WikiPedia's published information was subjected to the biased scrutiny of individuals with personal agendas, then I wouldn't have wasted my time trying to share the WTBTS own update regarding their un-Holy funding scheme! In light of my experience with WikiPedia, I will gladly spread the word regarding their "trustworthiness"!

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Very clear and specific reasons were provided for why your edits are not acceptable. Wikipedia has policies that govern content and behaviour. You've breached both.

Please go and delete THAT section JEFFRO77 - otherwise, some people might think you've got double-standards!! (or worse!)

Wikipedia also has policies about editors such as yourself disrupting articles to try to make a point. The correct way to point out that something is not properly sourced - which you can't assume anyone is necessarily aware of - is to comment on the article's Talk page, or add a template indicating that a citation is required. The exactly wrong thing to do is put a paragraph of snarky commentary directly in the article.

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Why was the Book of Enoch omitted from the Bible..

by jam in

the book of enoch taught women magic, the art of war.

and cosmetic..they felt this book was too far out in left field.. the show "bible secrets revealed".. ok, magic vs having a monster baby by a angel.. so happy they omitted that book, otherwise women would.

be leaders of the militaries.

Jeffro

tim hooper:

If they were the product of angels and women then they'd be sterile.

Since angels and 'nephilim' have never existed, it's implicit that the nonexistent nephilim would be unable to have children. But there is zero basis for the claim that the offspring of fictitious magical spirit thingies would necessarily be sterile. Assigning any particular attributes to 'nephilim' is really just fan-fiction.

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WITNESSES FEAR THE TRUTH - WIKIPEDIA

by The Searcher in

every time i submit the following update to wikipeda - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/kingdom_hall#funding - some poor deluded individual/s keeps deleting.. i wonder who it could be?????????.

"as of may 2014, the funding of kingdom hall construction around the world has changed, as per the instructions of the governing body's letter to all congregations, downloadable from this link - http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/279067/1/2014-03-29-boe-confidentials-pdf-adjustment-to-financing-kingdom-hall-and-assembly-hall-construction-worldwide.

the previous form of funding was facilitated by entirely by voluntary donations.

Jeffro

DATA-DOG:

I admit that I don't know much about Wikipedia, but what Jeffro says makes sense. SEARCHER, maybe you would reach more people by simple posting information about the letter on other sites, like Yahoo answers or something similar, or JW chat forums?? You may be spinning your wheels on Wikipedia.

That's very good advice. There are plenty of places for getting this kind of information across. Wikipedia is not one of those places - at least not until the information can be cited from an appropriate source. And even then, the change in arrangement would best be summarised in a single dispassionate sentence.

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WITNESSES FEAR THE TRUTH - WIKIPEDIA

by The Searcher in

every time i submit the following update to wikipeda - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/kingdom_hall#funding - some poor deluded individual/s keeps deleting.. i wonder who it could be?????????.

"as of may 2014, the funding of kingdom hall construction around the world has changed, as per the instructions of the governing body's letter to all congregations, downloadable from this link - http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/279067/1/2014-03-29-boe-confidentials-pdf-adjustment-to-financing-kingdom-hall-and-assembly-hall-construction-worldwide.

the previous form of funding was facilitated by entirely by voluntary donations.

Jeffro

besty:

can you do a before and after jeffro?

The text in question (one of the less unsavoury renditions) is in the initial post of this topic. It is based on an unusable source, and the text is hardly of the quality for an encyclopedia anyway.

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WITNESSES FEAR THE TRUTH - WIKIPEDIA

by The Searcher in

every time i submit the following update to wikipeda - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/kingdom_hall#funding - some poor deluded individual/s keeps deleting.. i wonder who it could be?????????.

"as of may 2014, the funding of kingdom hall construction around the world has changed, as per the instructions of the governing body's letter to all congregations, downloadable from this link - http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/279067/1/2014-03-29-boe-confidentials-pdf-adjustment-to-financing-kingdom-hall-and-assembly-hall-construction-worldwide.

the previous form of funding was facilitated by entirely by voluntary donations.

Jeffro

Sigh. Some people need to learn that Wikipedia has policies about what kind of sources are acceptable. You cannot use a forum or a blog as a source. They also need to learn that Wikipedia is not the place for 'exposés' or soapbox rants. And they need to learn that posting commentary in articles complaining about the removal of their inappropriate edits is not going to score them any points.

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Short Online Course (Free) on the Fall and Rise of Jerusalem in 587BCE by Tel Aviv University

by digderidoo in

for those interested in the fall and rise of jerusalem in 587bce tel aviv university are offering a short 6 week online course through coursera in october 2014.. i have done a couple of coursera courses, they are always of the highest quality put together by scholars of whatever the subject matter is about.

universities tend to offer these as tasters and short introductions into their specialities.. you can get the information on the following link the fall and rise of jerusalem | coursera.

emory university are also offering a course through coursera on the bible's prehistory, purpose, and political future starting may 26th the bible's prehistory, purpose, and political future | coursera.

Jeffro

AnnOMaly:

Neil!
There's some unfinished business between you and Jeffro on THIS THREAD . Just another reminder.

Ha ha. That must have been some Christmas party, 'scholar'.

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Quick! Help Needed for TTATT!!!

by HeyThere in

jw
friends

my husband is actually asking me questions about the governing body saying they are the mouthpiece of jehovah and the whole jesus invisible rulership in 1914 etc.

i am looking up stuff now to show him but if you have any proof, qotes, etc.

to help me wake up my husband please send to me now asap!.

Jeffro

The JW dogma about 607 BCE contradicts the Bible. Click here for more information about how the Bible does not support JW chronology. 1914 is a house of cards.

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1500 year old text reports Jesus not Crucified

by designs in

found in 2000 with a group of antiquity smugglers this bible contains the gospel of barnabas according to the report in the national turk.. written in aramaic this gospel account was omitted by the church during the period of the council of nicea.. the text maintains a story similar to islam regarding jesus being a great prophet.. is has a reported value of $28million and is said to be in the museum of ankara.. http://moorishharem.com/culture-detail/1500-year-old-bible-that-jesus-christ-was-not-crucified-vatican-in-awe/.

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Jeffro

Cold Steel:

Jesus was called the "second Adam" because as Adam brought death into the world, Jesus brought life.

That claim in itself demonstrates to reasonable people that the whole story of Jesus' 'ransom' is nonsense. It is a very well established fact that 'Adam' never existed, so hinging the supposed 'ransom' (even though knowing you'll get something back after 3 days isn't really a ransom anyway) on the supposed actions of an obviously fictional character should be a clear sign to any educated person that the story about Jesus is just as fake as the whimsical folklore of Genesis. That said, the 'Gospel of Barnabas' is just pro-Islamic nonsense instead of pro-Christian nonsense.

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"we must be ready to obey, even if it doesnt sound reasonable from a human standpoint"

by stuckinarut2 in

so its now all clear!.

the reason why that damned wt article several months back said the quote:.

"we may be asked to do something by jehovahs organization, and we should be ready to obey even if it doesnt seem reasonable from a human standpoint or not".

Jeffro

This thread got me thinking about how else the phrase "ready to obey" is used in JW literature.

A very powerful method of getting ideas into someones head without too much effort is through music, especially familiar music.

The old JW song, Stay Awake, Stand Firm, Grow Mighty used to have the lines:

Stay awake and keep your senses,
Always ready to obey.
In his place each one be heeding
What Christ Jesus has to say.
From his fine example, we discern
How Jehovah’s favor all can earn.
So, as one, we serve as an army,
Ever loyal to God’s way.

It was changed to give greater prominence and authority to the JW leadership:

Stay awake, and keep your senses,
Always ready to obey,
Stay alert to Christ's direction
Through his faithful slave today.
Heed the counsel of the older men,
Who protect his sheep and truth defend.

No longer just about listening to Jesus - a fairly standard and relatively benign Christian trope, it is now explicitly about obeying the self-proclaimed 'Governing Body', who supposedly (and entirely unverifiably) are providing 'Christ's direction'.

To make the song even more 'hypnotic' than before, what was previously the final part of the last verse has been made a 'chorus' at the end of every verse:

Stay awake, stand firm, and grow mighty!
Carry on right to the end!

Run. It's a cult.

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Jehovah's Witnesses's Matthew 24:14 Good News of the Kingdom.. A different Good News Galatians 1:9

by objectivetruth in

jehovah' witnesses use matthew 24:14, and their world wide preaching work, as proof, that they are the only "organization" that is doing jehovah's will.. what if the good news that they are preaching is a false good news or as paul would call it "a different good news"?

is there any value to a world wide preaching work, that is preaching a false good news?

or should that entire work be accursed?.

Jeffro

objectivetruth:

To be Accursed is a very serious matter.

Really? Why's that then? Does it upset the monsters under my bed?