Just had someone knock on my door with a 'convention invitation'. It seems they're desperate to increase attendance. Not sure about other areas, but a quick look at the JW 'convention finder' on their website and a comparison with the capacity of the venues that they're renting in my region (considered cumulatively) suggests considerably smaller attendances than previously.
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by dothemath inso everyone is supposed to get all excited about the invitation work starting tomorrow, according to the announcement from the platform.. maybe this makes sense if you're giving out invitations in the city where the convention is, but what if you're many hours away?.
a huge part of western canada is scheduled to attend edmonton alberta this july.
so how does that go over giving out invitations in winnipeg, about a 13 hour drive(that's just driving time).. i know some are actually planning on flying there, so i can't see getting excited about getting the public to make the trek.. i was curious how this is going over in other areas?.
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Ghost image of the Apostle Paul appears on Google maps
by jwleaks ini found this ghost image on google maps of the apostle paul walking on one of his missionary journeys through the region now known as turkey.. evidently the google map car was able to capture the spiritual afterglow of the apostle paul while he was walking along a roadway on his one of his missionary journeys.
interestingly the google mapping computer was able to create an overlapping image from the first century and from the twenty-first century.. .
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Jeffro
Google Street View images are composed by stitching together separate images. This can result in images showing parts of a person as well as the 'severe tyre damage' depicted above.
Nothing to see here. Well, certainly not 'the Apostle Paul' anyway.
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Atheism = self defeating.
by towerwatchman inatheism = self defeating.
first may we define our terms.
the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.
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towerwatchman:
In a debate the last position ignorance takes is insulting the character of the opposition vs addressing the subject at hand.
You're so obviously wrong that all that is left is to call you a doofus. It is simply a fact that atheists do not actually believe what you say they do.
You seem to get good Internet access from your medieval tower though.
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Atheism = self defeating.
by towerwatchman inatheism = self defeating.
first may we define our terms.
the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.
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Jeffro
towerwatchman:
First may we define our terms. The word Atheism comes literally from the Greek, alpha the negative and theos [for God], therefore “negative God” or there is no God.
The word "towerwatchman" literally means 'a man who watches from a tower'. Can't mean any other thing. Doesn't mean you're just some doofus making up things on the Internet. You're literally on a tower watching stuff. Because words.
But thanks for telling us what all atheists believe.
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Judge Rutherfords brother was very naughty.....
by sparky1 ini found this article online when i was researching information on another post and i am only posting it as an historical item of interest.
it is not intended to slam the judge.. .
i apologize if this has been posted and discussed before..
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Jeffro
sparky1:
Yes, he was a stand-in for the judge a few times. State lawyers could nominate a lawyer as a stand-in if the actual judge were not available. Many lawyers of the time could make the same claim by this standard. Rutherford was a lawyer. He may even have been a good lawyer (though without a law degree). But he was not a judge in the sense implied by the nickname.Was the Judge a 'judge'? I guess you can decide for yourself after reading what was written in his obituary.
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Did you know that J.F. Rutherford was part of the Knights of Pythias? There's PROOF for this!
by ILoveTTATT2 inwow.
wow.
wow.someone just sent me a scan of the boonville advertiser newspaper in which it mentions j.f.
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ILoveTTATT2:
Your moving the posts is getting ridiculous.
What is ridiculous is you being excited to the extent of exclaiming "wow" repeatedly when all you had was some initials, and there is no clear reason at all for it being remarkable even if true. The only manner in which I may have 'moved the posts' is to hone the point to greater accuracy, rather than implication of changing definitions arbitrarily.
It's been proven beyond your unreasonable doubt that it was Joseph Franklin Rutherford.
The only thing representing proof at this point is some text reproduced on this forum that explicitly named Joseph and reasonably refers to the Joseph Rutherford in question. Yet to see a screenshot, but if genuine if would constitute proof. Nothing prior to that constituted proof by any margin. If I hadn't pushed the point, anything resembling actual proof would probably still not be indicated on the forum. You're welcome.
First, you assert baselessly that it's John F. Rutherford. That's disproven.
I indicated that it could reasonably be John F. Rutherford, being a prominent figure in both the Knights of Pythias and the Woodmen.
Then you want proof that J.F. Rutherford appeared often (and what is your definition of often?) in the Boonville Advertiser.
I requested evidence of the assertion that he was often mentioned in that publication, but only out of curiosity. It was a fairly trivial matter. It is still not established.
Then you want reasons as to why his involvement in a fraternal organization that is similar to the Masons should be included in his life. You (or apparently someone who thinks like you) remove a very short sentence in his Wikipedia article, even though it appears in his pre-WT years section.
You should familiarise yourself with Wikipedia's standards for inclusion, in reference to notability and verifiability, particularly in regard to religious/political affiliation.
It might not be notable enough for his article, but it is notable enough for the Knights of Pythias article, in the "see other" section. Certainly a member who became the leader of a religious group is notable enough.
No, it would require a source specifically discussing Rutherford as a member, not a passing reference that requires original research. If there is not a suitable source indicating notability sufficient for the Rutherford article, it would be trivial, ambiguous, and hence, inappropriate to list him in the 'See also' section of the KoP article.
Many of the individuals listed as members at the KoP article should also be removed for similar reasons, either with insufficient sources, or with no sources at all. A section has been started at the article's Talk page, and after a reasonable amount of time, inappropriate entries will be removed.
Let's see what other ridiculous thing you say next.
Ha ha ha ha ha.
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Did you know that J.F. Rutherford was part of the Knights of Pythias? There's PROOF for this!
by ILoveTTATT2 inwow.
wow.
wow.someone just sent me a scan of the boonville advertiser newspaper in which it mentions j.f.
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ILoveTTATT2:
I think this is good enough. Putting it on Wikipedia.
I have asked repeatedly on this thread, and it has been ignored each time: WHY would it matter if Rutherford were in the Knights of Pythias. If you're seeking to add it to Wikipedia, there is a higher threshold for inclusion than 'I find this interesting'. It seems that the intended motive is some kind of ad hominem 'exposé' rather than any kind of encyclopedic interest.
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Judge Rutherfords brother was very naughty.....
by sparky1 ini found this article online when i was researching information on another post and i am only posting it as an historical item of interest.
it is not intended to slam the judge.. .
i apologize if this has been posted and discussed before..
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Jeffro
It is not intended to slam the Judge.
Rutherford wasn't a judge. He occasionally stood in when the judge was unavailable. By the same standard that 'Judge' Rutherford is so called, a great many lawyers of the time could call them selves 'Judges'.
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Did you know that J.F. Rutherford was part of the Knights of Pythias? There's PROOF for this!
by ILoveTTATT2 inwow.
wow.
wow.someone just sent me a scan of the boonville advertiser newspaper in which it mentions j.f.
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ILoveTTATT2:
Here's another time where he appeared in the same newspaper.
http://truthhistory.blogspot.mx/2012/12/j-f-rutherfords-first-book.htmlI am aware of that reference. Not sure how it establishes mentions of him often as was suggested.
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Did you know that J.F. Rutherford was part of the Knights of Pythias? There's PROOF for this!
by ILoveTTATT2 inwow.
wow.
wow.someone just sent me a scan of the boonville advertiser newspaper in which it mentions j.f.
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Athanasius:
Despite the evidence, and there is much more, Watchtower apologists will no doubt argue that perhaps there were two Joseph Franklin Rutherfords living in Boonville and the one who belonged to the Knights of Pythias was not their guy.
Your source might be suitable (a screenshot would be nice given the rapid desire for the claim to be true) for passing mention that Rutherford was a member. If the citation is genuine, it's quite strange indeed that it would not have been provided first instead of more ambiguous references. It does not meet the standards for citing it in Wikipedia - need a source that unambiguously identifies him (specifically) to be a member, not a passing mention of a name. Ideally, this would be source discussing Joseph Rutherford.
It's still not clear why Watchtower apologists should want it to be false, or why some here so badly want it to be true, since it would indicate nothing about any later allegiance to the group. JW literature is full of 'life stories' of people who used to be members of some other group.