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  Masks Are Coming Off

  by minimus in

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  a number of states are allowing people to not wear a mask.

  some think this is disastrous!

  what’s your view?.

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  Anony Mous:

  the problem is exactly the mandates, government telling you what to do and what to wear isn’t healthy

  It does seem to be the case that in the US in particular, a section of the community is overly focused on wearing masks, with, as you say, some people even wearing them alone in their homes or cars (though in at least some cases this could simply be because they find it easier to put it on before they start their journey rather than later in their commute). Equally neurotic are the people who act almost as though wearing a mask at the direction of health authorities is a slippery slope toward the government enforcing mandatory sex changes (this is intentional reductio ad absurdum though there are probably some who consider it a real risk). Once again, the US seems to be a strange strange place.

  A mask that even reduces risk of infection rather than stopping it entirely is better than nothing, particularly for those at higher risk or those who having close contact with such people. But if you’re in an area where there are no cases and no untested new arrivals, there is little point wearing a mask.

  Anyone claiming that health authorities recommending or requiring masks is solely some government conspiracy to control people rather than an effort at containing a pandemic is straying into tinfoil hat territory though. I would certainly put a higher degree of trust in health authorities (who may not get absolutely everything right) than on random conspiracy nutters online.
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  Australia: Jehovah’s Witnesses to join redress scheme for child sexual abuse survivors

  by yalbmert99 in

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  australia: jehovah’s witnesses to join redress scheme for child sexual abuse survivors.

  https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/03/03/jehovahs-witnesses-redress-scheme/.

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  https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/03/03/jehovahs-witnesses-redress-scheme/:
  

  “Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that it is their responsibility before God to respect and co-operate with the authorities [when their tax exempt status is threatened].”

  🤣

  Vidiot:

  They actually caved.

  Maybe. Or they could just be seeking an extension of their precious tax-exempt status for as long as possible. The article says the Department of Social Services is still waiting for them to officially initiate the process of joining.
  
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  Try To Be Less White

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  that’s what coca-cola is telling their employees.

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  this is ridiculous!.

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  Hahahaha. His 'explanations' were contradicted by facts, and lacking facts for unsupported claims, and his 'analogy' was entirely incongruent to the situation.

  He claimed that a screenshot showing the corporate logo in the vicinity of the training module 'proves' management endorsed the specific module, whereas all of the LinkedIn Learning modules were available to staff, and any of those would show the corporate logo on the webpage.

  He claimed Coca-Coca later removed the training module, though it was actually LinkedIn Learning that removed the module from their offerings.
  

  He claimed that management 'must' have examined all the available training material, though the provider has over 16,000 training courses available to subscribers, including 270 courses related to 'diversity'.

  He claimed that staff were required to do the training in question, but multiple sources, including various 'right-wing' sources, say staff were invited to undertake a package of 'diversity' training (in addition to reporting unsubstantiated claims by individual staff), with no evidence that the module in question was included in any 'mandatory training'. (For example, how about a screenshot of an email listing the required training?)
  

  The whole concept of 'diversity training' seems unnecessary to me, since people who are racist aren't going to become any less racist by undertaking such training, and many people who aren't racist would just find the material tedious. (Some of the 'news' sources refer to the training module in question as 'reverse racism', another nonsense term that has been popularised in recent years, though it is really just 'racism'.)

  If there is anyone to 'attack' over this little fiasco, it would be the creator(s) of the module (though DiAngelo claims she did not add the slide that has received the most focus) and LinkedIn Learning rather than Coca-Cola, which in reality is just where the material was brought to wider attention.

  But sure, feel free to attack me instead just because I don't just accept whatever drivel is 'trending' at the time. (I thought it was supposed to be 'the left' who insist that people just 'listen and believe' rather than expecting evidence.)
  
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  Masks Are Coming Off

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a number of states are allowing people to not wear a mask.

  some think this is disastrous!

  what’s your view?.

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  minimus:

  Biden thinks these governors are idiots

  The same Biden who took his mask down to cough into his hand on at least one occasion, and wears double-masks against CDC recommendations? I can't help thinking all US politicians are idiots.

  Wearing a mask is generally more effective at stopping the wearer from infecting others rather than protecting the wearer from infection. If it's likely that you're infectious, or you're likely to be in a confined space with people who may be infectious, it certainly wouldn't do any harm to wear a mask. If you're elderly or immuno-suppressed, probably also consider wearing a mask as a precaution. Otherwise, you'll probably be fine without one while going about general activities. But if it's mandated by law where you live, consider wearing one unless you're an attention-seeking trouble-maker.
  

  It is quite odd that the US in particular is so split down partisan lines regarding wearing a mask as if it's such a momentous burden. Strange strange place.
  
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  Try To Be Less White

  by minimus in

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  that’s what coca-cola is telling their employees.

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  this is ridiculous!.

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  Anony Mous, read slowly so you understand... Coca-Cola didn’t remove, and didn’t need to remove, the course in question. The course was removed by the third-party provider, LinkedIn Learning, from their course offerings.

  All the claims about vague orders from managers are anecdotal. It is of course possible that some individuals endorsed the training but there is no evidence the course was mandatory. All the course offerings from LinkedIn Learning are available to its subscribers, including employees of Coca-Cola. This includes the course in question, until it was removed by LinkedIn Learning.

  I suppose you could argue that Coca-Cola subscribing to LinkedIn Learning implies an endorsement of all of LinkedIn Learning’s 16,700 course offerings (though it is doubtful that management reviewed all of them), but aside from that, there is no evidence of specific corporate endorsement of the course in question.
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  Try To Be Less White

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  that’s what coca-cola is telling their employees.

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  Corney:
  

  There are countless instances of the insane Woke religion being promoted and imposed by government agencies and public schools, not just by corporate bureaucracy.

  Yes, I'm quite aware that this kind of nonsense is widespread (a woeful and poorly received Gillette campaign also springs to mind), and also well aware that some people imagine that misrepresenting or ignoring the facts of a matter is fine so long as it supports the narrative.
  
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  Try To Be Less White

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  that’s what coca-cola is telling their employees.

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  this is ridiculous!.

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  The typical misrepresentations of the source and also of what I’ve said. (Just one example, the course in question was later removed by LinkedIn Learning from their course offerings, not ‘removed from mandatory training by CocaCola’; it was the course that was removed rather than just one slide from it.) No wonder I don’t participate much on this forum anymore.
  
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  Try To Be Less White

  by minimus in

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  that’s what coca-cola is telling their employees.

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  this is ridiculous!.

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  No one has presented any evidence that the training was mandatory. The best they can do is a screenshot showing the training exists. If it were mandatory there would typically be an email to staff listing mandatory training. So where is the evidence?
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  Try To Be Less White

  by minimus in

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  that’s what coca-cola is telling their employees.

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  this is ridiculous!.

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  minimus:

  Jef, keep your blinders on.

  Haha, yes I kind of expected some kind of trite personal attack. Though it's not really clear what you imagine I'm 'blind' to. I indicated, correctly, that there is no evidence the training in question was mandatory for Coca-Cola employees. But you're acting as though I either endorse the racist training or deny it exists at all. You're so clouded by your own biases that you feel the need to attack anyone who disagrees with the smallest element of what you say, whereas you automatically accept the weakest of claims as 'evidence' if it supports your existing views.

  Anony Mous:

  the NY Post is one of the oldest newspapers founded by Alexander Hamilton

  So? It was bought by Murdoch in the 1970s and transformed into a tabloid analogous to the UK's Sun newspaper. If you're pointing out that it's sad that a once great institution has decayed into an unreliable source of sensationalist nonsense, yes I agree.
  
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  Try To Be Less White

  by minimus in

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  that’s what coca-cola is telling their employees.

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  this is ridiculous!.

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  The New York Post, a conservative tabloid, isn't especially 'journalistic'. Someone - not just anyone but someone with a well-known agenda - went off about a stupid training course that wasn't mandatory. If there was evidence of some document saying 'staff have to do this specific training', you might have a point. But Borysenko's 'evidence' that the course was mandatory consists of a screenshot of a video that could be accessed on a training site. There's nothing of import whatsoever in this little storm in a teacup. It's just fodder for the usual conservative right-wing zealots versus 'progressive' left-wing nutters.