Posts by Jeffro

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

'scholar':

Nonsense, there are no references at all to the Seleucids in chapters 2, 7 or 8 but only to a part of ch.11 as mentioned in a previous post.

Haha. Poor deluded 'scholar'. It must make things hard having so much cognitive dissonance. Even in the JW interpretation, the following verses refer to the Seleucid period:

2:32, 39: in JW dogma, the 'copper kingdom' (incorrectly) includes the Macedonian and Seleucid periods up until 30 BCE (in reality, verses 33 and 41-43 cover the period from Alexander until Antiochus IV)
7:6: the four wings of the leopard represent Alexander's divided kingdom, two of which are the Ptolemies and Seleucids (in reality verses 6-8, 19-22 and 23-25 refer to the period from Alexander through to Antiochus IV)
8:8, 22: as with chapter 7, the 'great horn that was broken into four' depicts Alexander's divided kingdom including the Seleucids and Ptolemies (in reality, verses 8-12 and 22-25 cover this period)

The fact that there are any references to the Seleucid period in Daniel is evidence enough, but the very obvious references to that period in chapter 11 are sufficient to definitely place the composition of Daniel no earlier than the mid-2nd century BCE.

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

🤦‍♂️

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

Disillusioned JW:

The WT has written that about the year 30 C.E. a number of Jews were expecting the arrival of the Jewish Messiah, and that such expectations were based upon their calculations of the 70 weeks prophecy in the book of Daniel. [Is that a false teaching of the WT or were Jews back then really doing such?]

The Jews were always expecting a messiah at some point, but the notion that they were especially expecting one around 30 CE or that it was because of anything in Daniel is a Christian tradition. (Also, Jesus’ ministry would have run from 26-30 CE, and the JW dates for his ministry are also dogmatically asserted based on their interpretations of the ‘70 weeks’.)

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

The remainder of Dan. 11 pertains to the Roman Empire.

Well that’s wrong even according to JW nonsense. But no, no part of Daniel refers to the Roman Empire.

I am still awaiting your proof that the entire book was of 2nd century BC composition and deals wholly with the Seleucids.

Already provided. But I also already said that some of the stories are adapted from older tales (for example the story supposedly told by Nebuchadnezzar in chapter 4 incorporates details from The Prayer of Nabonidus). I also never claimed that it “deals wholly with the Seleucids”, as it also contains details about the Neo-Babylonian, Achmaenid and Macedonian periods.

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

So you produce cogent facts that prove a 2nd-century composition.

You already did:

reference applicable to the Seleucid Period is confined to a few verses in Dan. 11:5-19

Of course, the entire remainder of chapter 11 also refers to the Seleucid period, along with other references in chapters 2, 7 & 8, but I have low expectations about the quality of your responses anyway.

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

In the case of Daniel such a commandment 'to seal up' proves it was a book of prophecy written at the time the dreams and visions were received which are dated historically.

‘Sealing the book’ could be a literary device ‘explaining’ why the book ‘appeared’ only during the 2nd century BCE. But Daniel 10:27 refers to a different book to the one at Daniel 12:1.

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

The Roman Empire came into existence long after Daniel was written with the advent of Augustus Caesar in 27 BCE which was foretold and described in Dan.11:20 thus proving that Rome existed long after Daniel's time of writing in the 6th century BC.

Wrong as usual. Daniel 11:20 alludes to Heliodorus being sent (around 178 BCE) by Seleucus IV Philopator (ruled 187 - 175 BCE) to demand a tax from Jerusalem’s temple treasures, hence an exactor. It has nothing at all to do with a census (that the author of Luke places in the wrong year) that would not require people returning to the place of their birth anyway.

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

Doofus:

The book itself contains six chronological data that prove its 6th-century composition

The movie Alien contains chronological data ‘proving’ the movie was made hundreds of years in the future 🤦‍♂️ Must be a prophecy 😂

Can you really be so stupid to genuinely not understand that someone can very easily refer to events in the past at some later time?

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

I couldn’t be bothered dealing with all of the latest load of drivel offered by ‘scholar’. The ‘quality’ of his ‘reasoning’ is summed up well in this paragraph though:

Further, there is nothing in Daniel that provides any historical support for a later composition for the only reference applicable to the Seleucid Period is confined to a few verses in Dan. 11:5-19.which of course confirms that the book is prophecy as it contains a reference to a future period along with other fulfillments.

Basically, this boils down to: ‘nothing in Daniel indicates that it was written during the Seleucid period apart from the part that very obviously does, so my best explanation is that the book is magical.’

The rest of his responses are of similar ‘quality’. Just go away, ‘scholar’.

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Aussies closed all the coal power plants...now we have blackouts no electricity!

by Witness 007 in

so we have been "green" blowing up all our coal power plants now they are saying we are like north korea...expect regular power blackouts.

who is running this show?.

Jeffro

I’m not here to jump through hoops like a performing seal. You suggested that other plants have since closed beyond those scheduled. If you don’t care enough to support your own claim, I don’t see why I should. See also ‘burden of proof’.

My position (passing interest) isn’t contingent on any exact number of operating plants and if there were, for example, 19 plants operating rather than 20, it wouldn’t be the ‘gotcha’ that you seem to imagine.