Posts by Jeffro

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Have JW `s ever faced the topic of Jesus having inherited Adamic sin ?

by smiddy3 in

according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.

mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.

and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.

Jeffro

Basically , their answer is ‘magic’. The original 1988 version of Insight said under the entry for Jesus:

Since actual conception took place, it appears that Jehovah God caused an ovum, or egg cell, in Mary’s womb to become fertile, accomplishing this by the transferal of the life of his firstborn Son from the spirit realm to earth. (Ga 4:4) Only in this way could the child eventually born have retained identity as the same person who had resided in heaven as the Word, and only in this way could he have been an actual son of Mary” … “From the results revealed in the Bible, it would appear that the perfect male life-force (causing the conception) canceled out any imperfection existent in Mary’s ovum, thereby producing a genetic pattern (and embryonic development) that was perfect from its start.

The entire passage was deleted in the 2018 revision.

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Babylon the Great and the last Pope

by mikeflood in

what do you guys think of the evangelicals theory about babylon the great and the last pope...just starting this big book out of curiosity...like 500 pages...it seems there is a lot of different thinking from the borg.

Jeffro

'Babylon the Great' was actually first-century Rome.

Hope you didn't pay for the book.

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Is the WT right that the Lamb's marriage is after Armageddon?

by Kosonen in

the wt org claims that the lamb's marriage will happen after armageddon, despite the fact that revelation 19 very clearly says that the lamb's marriage happens after the destruction of babylon the great.

and that after the lamb's marriage he with heavenly armies will go to destroy the wicked.. the wt claims that the order of events in revelation 19 is not really in that order referring to psalm 45. but i can't find in psalm 45 any explicit contradiction to revelation 19. .

paragraph 10 in the following article shows the wt org's view point:.

Jeffro

Kosenen:

By the way, the WT has also completely misunderstood what Babylon the Great represents. You are welcome to visit my website where I try to explain these things.

As have you. 🤦‍♂️

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faithful and discreet slave appointed in 1919?

by enoughisenough in

12 when did jesus appoint the faithful slave over his domestics?

to answer that, we need to go back to 1914—the beginning of the harvest season.

as we learned earlier, at that time many groups claimed to be christian.

Jeffro

Disillusioned JW:

I merely made a correct statement. Perhaps you are the one who manifested confirmation bias when you incorrectly implied that I had manifested confirmation bias. It appears that you read into post more than what I stated in my post.

Ho hum... 🙄 I also made correct statements. I did not say that you had necessarily ascribed anything special, but I correctly pointed out that to do so would be fallacious.

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faithful and discreet slave appointed in 1919?

by enoughisenough in

12 when did jesus appoint the faithful slave over his domestics?

to answer that, we need to go back to 1914—the beginning of the harvest season.

as we learned earlier, at that time many groups claimed to be christian.

Jeffro

Disillusioned JW:

Hey Jeffro, regarding their 1919 teaching of "The ‘Jews to be restored to their homeland’ is literal' is something they got right

They didn’t ‘get it right’ due to any special knowledge, nor due to anything magical about the Jews or the source material. Jews and Christians both had a vested interested in working towards ‘restoring the Jews to their homeland’, which is therefore unremarkable. Ascribing anything special to the Bible Student belief is an example of confirmation bias.

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faithful and discreet slave appointed in 1919?

by enoughisenough in

12 when did jesus appoint the faithful slave over his domestics?

to answer that, we need to go back to 1914—the beginning of the harvest season.

as we learned earlier, at that time many groups claimed to be christian.

Jeffro

They were pleased with a small band of loyal Bible Students who showed that their heart was with Jehovah and his Word.

Why exactly would 'Jesus and his Father' be 'pleased' with this particular minor Adventist denomination that was basically indistinguishable from similar Adventist sects? In 1919 when supposedly 'selected', the 'Bible Students' taught that:

Jesus was made king in 1878
The archangel Michael is the Pope
‘Sleeping saints’ were resurrected to heaven in 1878
Russell was the ‘faithful and wise servant’
The Great Pyramid of Giza confirms biblical chronology
Christmas should be celebrated
The ‘time of the end’ began in 1799
The ‘Jews to be restored to their homeland’ is literal
The ‘great company’ (great crowd) has a heavenly hope
Christ’s presence began in 1874
Jesus died on a cross
Jerusalem was destroyed in 606 BCE
Congregation discipline should be determined by the whole congregation
The prohibition on eating blood is only a “suggestion” to gentile Christians
Birthdays should be celebrated
‘This generation’ refers to those alive during 1914

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What other alternatives for the meaning of Babylon the Great ?

by enoughisenough in

i thought the reasoning sound as to the wt explaination of babylon the great, ( world empire of false religion ) but have any of you knowledge of other plausible explainations?

or knowledge of other sources that are in agreement with wt?

Jeffro

🤦‍♂️

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What other alternatives for the meaning of Babylon the Great ?

by enoughisenough in

i thought the reasoning sound as to the wt explaination of babylon the great, ( world empire of false religion ) but have any of you knowledge of other plausible explainations?

or knowledge of other sources that are in agreement with wt?

Jeffro

'Babylon the Great' as used in Revelation was Rome, that is ancient Rome during the first (and early second) century. The Roman Empire, administered from the city of Rome, ruled over its various client kingdoms, one of which was Judea, each with its own king. The Greek word used for "kings" (basileus, βασιλεύς, Strong’s G935) at Revelation 17:2 is the same word for "king" (Herod) at Matthew 2:3 and Mark 6:14. Revelation 17:18 quite accurately describes “Babylon the Great” (that is, Rome) as a city with a kingdom over other kings. (Hence, the JW 'reasoning' that 'Babylon the Great cannot be a political power because it engages with other kings' is an obvious lie.)

Other attempts at saying "Babylon the Great" represents anything else are simply attempting to make it sound relevant, almost always to generate interest in a particular religious denomination.

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Do you believe that this life is all there is

by Fisherman in

the bible records resurrections and there is orher evidence besides that gives hope.

what do you think, is there enough evidence to believe in another life?.

Jeffro

jwundubbed:

I have some science in my beliefs. Energy doesn't die, it just changes form. Our consciousness is energy making connections in our brains. That energy doesn't die, it just changes form. We don't have to know what that form is to know that this is a foundational scientific truth and to trust in that truth. If the energy changes form, then who we are exists in a different form.

Using words like 'energy' does not make superstitions about an afterlife 'scientific'. The conclusion that 'who we are exists in a different form' on the basis that 'the energy changes form' is not at all scientific. The fact that a quantity of energy has at some point allowed an organism to be conscious does not impart any property of that consciousness to the energy. You may as well be suggesting that a potato goes on being a potato long after it has been eaten because its energy was once a potato.

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Do you believe that this life is all there is

by Fisherman in

the bible records resurrections and there is orher evidence besides that gives hope.

what do you think, is there enough evidence to believe in another life?.

Jeffro

Fisherman:

The Bible records resurrections

Stories in the Bible are claims requiring evidence, not evidence of anything.

Were all those people lying

False dichotomy. They could have been lying, but they could also have just been wrong.

and is the Bible a pack of lies?

Fallacy of composition. The Bible isn’t either ‘all true’ or ‘all false’, and contains a variety of myth, poetry, superstition, and political & theological bias along with some historically accurate details.