do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?
inquiring minds want to know .
estephan.
VH:
Major premise#1: Three times this Babylon is called “O great city” (Rev 18:9, 16, 19) Minor premise #1: “The great city” is “where also their Lord was crucified” (Rev 11:8) Conclusion: Jerusalem is Revelation’s Babylon
Premise rejected. Jerusalem did not (and does not) have ‘a kingdom over other kings’), which definitely refers to 1st century Rome. Nor is it necessary that there can only be 1 ‘great city’.
As your first premise is rejected, it is not necessary to continue.
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?
inquiring minds want to know .
estephan.
Fisherman:
The identity of the Genesis serpent for example was interpreted by John in Revelation about 1600 years later. Not to mention the identity of the disgusting thing causing desolation spoken by Daniel in the Babylonian diaspora interpreted by Jesus circa 33CE and finally realizing in the Roman armies in 70CE, and the messianic prophecies realizing in Jesus
Reusing tropes from older stories and providing new interpretations isn’t the amazing feat you imagine it to be.
i have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.
(bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.
galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.
Blotty:
Who raised Jesus from the dead?No one.
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
‘scholar’:
The said scholar has nicely termed the three most significant prophetic dates in the Bible: 1914, 1918, and 1919 as an eschatological triennium. These dates are well established
So… not 1799, 1874 and 1878 😂 Or whatever future dates are selected that are just as ‘established’ 🤦♂️
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
🤦♂️
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?
inquiring minds want to know .
estephan.
Kosenen:
The WT misses the truth that the prophesied 1260 days/42 months/time, times and half a time must occur first. And the two prophets of Revelation 11 have to appear first and accomplish their mission during 3 and half years.
All of these periods, all equal to 3.5 years, were the period from the Jewish revolt in 66CE until Jerusalem’s destruction in 70CE. Christians expected various supernatural things to happen after that, within a generation of Jesus’ death. They were wrong, and nutters have been making up alternative interpretations ever since.
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
Godlyman:
which I will build upon in my future posts
Or don’t.
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
Godlyman:
So, are we all in agreement that the WTS is "not" the faithful and discreet slave as they claim to be? If so, then who really is?
False dichotomy.
As far as the purpose of the parable, the ‘slave’ (setting aside the endorsement of slavey) referred to each individual Christian awaiting Jesus’ return (expected within a generation of his death). Their expectations were wrong and everyone relevant to the original purpose of the parable is long dead.
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?
inquiring minds want to know .
estephan.
🤦♂️
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?
inquiring minds want to know .
estephan.
Fisherman:
For example, a couple of years ago a new method of interpreting prophecy was explained
No, it wasn’t a ‘new method of Bible study’ as if they made some brilliant discovery. They just reduced their reliance on the practice introduced by Rutherford (borrowed from other Protestant groups) of ‘types and antitypes’.
JW are not pretending or putting on a show, they are convinced.
Whether they’re convinced or not, they’re still wrong.
