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  Are the teachings of JW—consistent?

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would belief so but if you can point something out, it can be discussed.. i don’t mean what jw taught in the past that they later realized was not correct and amended.

  —unless you think and can show something like that is relevant.. i’ve spoken to a lot of believers from different religions.

  i don’t want to bash any religion here under this topic but their beliefs are inconsistent and their reasons are sophistry and made up and grounded on circular reasoning.

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  Jeffro

  I see that the ‘fisherman’ has essentially done the JW tactic of ‘I’ll have to do some research on that and get back to you’ 😂

  🦗 🦗 🦗
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  Who raised Jesus from the dead?

  by Blotty in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.

  (bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.

  galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.

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  Jeffro

  See Breeze:

  The discussion is how do you explain from a materialist worldview the hundreds of thousands of cases where people, minutes or hours before death, suddenly are perfectly lucid and can talk who have not done so for years or even decades prior? This phenomena is consistent with the idea that the soul leaves the body when the body stops functioning.

  This is a plain old argument from ignorance. Every time the reason has been understood for someone recovering from some type of unresponsive state, the answer has been physiological. But this doesn’t rule out physiological explanations when the reason has not been understood, nor is it evidence of souls/aliens/government microchips or whatever other woo someone cares to speculatively offer as ‘the reason’. To suggest any action ‘is consistent with the soul returning to the body’, one would first need to demonstrate that a such a thing is even possible.

  This game of ‘if you don’t know the exact reason, then whatever I say is the right explanation (or even plausible)’ really is very dull.
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  Who raised Jesus from the dead?

  by Blotty in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.

  (bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.

  galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.

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  Jeffro

  Sea Breeze:

  Jeffro , that is a fallacy of false dichotomy.

  It’s really not 😂. I don’t think you understand what a dichotomy is.
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  Who raised Jesus from the dead?

  by Blotty in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.

  (bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.

  galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.

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  Jeffro

  ThomasMore:

  I think people tell accounts of what they experienced.

  They tell their interpretations of experiences that are no more ‘real’ than a dream. It isn’t evidence of anything mystical.
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  Who raised Jesus from the dead?

  by Blotty in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.

  (bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.

  galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.

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  Jeffro

  Sea Breeze:

  So how do you expalin away tens of thousands of accounts of terminal lucidityand near death experiences to be able to arrive at your conclusion?

  People who aren’t dead provide details of experiences when they were near death. 🤦‍♂️ Behaviour of neurotransmitters near death is fairly well understood. Not at all evidence of anything after death. How do you explain having any experience without a nervous system? 😂 Beliefs about consciousness independent of a functioning physical body are just made up nonsense based on ignorance and wishful thinking.
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  Who raised Jesus from the dead?

  by Blotty in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.

  (bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.

  galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.

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  Jeffro

  Sea Breeze:

  Becasue Jesus was a tri-patite being.... like us; he was still fully conscious in spirit after death, just as we will be.

  🤦‍♂️ None of that has any basis in reality whatsoever.
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  Who raised Jesus from the dead?

  by Blotty in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.

  (bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.

  galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.

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  Blotty:

  There are other videos on YouTube similar in nature to this (not to hard to find) with similar reasoning.

  Indeed there are. The reasoning is poor. And several of the claims therein, such as that the 'gospels' are widely regarded by scholars as historical, are simply false.
  
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  Who raised Jesus from the dead?

  by Blotty in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.

  (bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.

  galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.

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  Jeffro

  🤦‍♂️
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  Who raised Jesus from the dead?

  by Blotty in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.

  (bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.

  galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.

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  Jeffro

  Blotty:

  Punk of nice (& Jeffro)
  consider this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus#Christ_myth_theory

  The question of whether there was an itinerant preacher named Yeshua in the first century is entirely mundane and quite separate to the many religious superstitions about Jesus. Even the term ‘Christ myth theory’ is misleading, as the fact that Christ is a myth has much wider acceptance among scholars than the separate unremarkable likelihood that Jesus existed. Those who agree that a man named Jesus existed but was not magical are properly using the term ‘Christ myth’, but those who oppose the ‘theory’ are also happy to use the term ‘Christ myth theory’ because it allows them to smuggle their religious superstitions in with the broader rejection of the notion that the man didn’t exist.
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  Are the teachings of JW—consistent?

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would belief so but if you can point something out, it can be discussed.. i don’t mean what jw taught in the past that they later realized was not correct and amended.

  —unless you think and can show something like that is relevant.. i’ve spoken to a lot of believers from different religions.

  i don’t want to bash any religion here under this topic but their beliefs are inconsistent and their reasons are sophistry and made up and grounded on circular reasoning.

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  Jeffro

  JWs aren't allowed to accept blood transfusions, including white blood cells, but breast milk contains a significant number of white blood cells.