i have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.
(bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.
galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.
Why do you keep diverting to irrelevant ad hominem?
By what mechanism do ‘souls’ supposedly interact with the body? How did you rule out time travelers or aliens or fairies or curses or any other made up thing to establish that ‘souls’ are the best explanation?
i have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.
(bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.
galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.
Sea Breeze:
Because of the facts Jeffro. Just the facts.
So… I should speculate wildly about anecdotes because of… the facts… You aren’t making any sense at all.
The fact is, you don’t know that souls exist, and you don’t know that souls are the actual explanation for any of the anecdotes
i have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.
(bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.
galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.
i have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.
(bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.
galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.
Sea Breeze:
So far you have have not provided ANY guesses at all.
Why would I need to? I don’t need to offer any speculative alternatives to your superstitions. You need to provide evidence for your claims. Anecdotes are not actually ‘verified reports’, but even if they were, you still have no evidence that it has anything to do with a ‘soul’. All you’re really left with is that you don’t actually know the real explanation for these claimed occurrences either, on top of your original unverified religious superstitions.
Your claims that I’m not being logical or that it is due to a ‘cult background’ or that ‘if i can’t think of a materialist explanation then there isn’t one’ are incorrect and tedious appeals to pride. (‘If you’re not a neurology expert, then it’s probably souls.’ 😂 🤦♂️)
By what mechanism do ‘souls’ supposedly interact with the body? How did you rule out time travelers or aliens or fairies or curses or any other made up thing to establish that ‘souls’ are the best explanation?
i would belief so but if you can point something out, it can be discussed.. i don’t mean what jw taught in the past that they later realized was not correct and amended.
—unless you think and can show something like that is relevant.. i’ve spoken to a lot of believers from different religions.
i don’t want to bash any religion here under this topic but their beliefs are inconsistent and their reasons are sophistry and made up and grounded on circular reasoning.
I see that the ‘fisherman’ has essentially done the JW tactic of ‘I’ll have to do some research on that and get back to you’ 😂
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i have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.
(bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.
galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.
See Breeze:
The discussion is how do you explain from a materialist worldview the hundreds of thousands of cases where people, minutes or hours before death, suddenly are perfectly lucid and can talk who have not done so for years or even decades prior? This phenomena is consistent with the idea that the soul leaves the body when the body stops functioning.
This is a plain old argument from ignorance. Every time the reason has been understood for someone recovering from some type of unresponsive state, the answer has been physiological. But this doesn’t rule out physiological explanations when the reason has not been understood, nor is it evidence of souls/aliens/government microchips or whatever other woo someone cares to speculatively offer as ‘the reason’. To suggest any action ‘is consistent with the soul returning to the body’, one would first need to demonstrate that a such a thing is even possible.
This game of ‘if you don’t know the exact reason, then whatever I say is the right explanation (or even plausible)’ really is very dull.
i have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.
(bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.
galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.
Sea Breeze:
Jeffro , that is a fallacy of false dichotomy.
It’s really not 😂. I don’t think you understand what a dichotomy is.
i have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.
(bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.
galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.
ThomasMore:
I think people tell accounts of what they experienced.
They tell their interpretations of experiences that are no more ‘real’ than a dream. It isn’t evidence of anything mystical.
i have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.
(bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.
galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.
Sea Breeze:
So how do you expalin away tens of thousands of accounts of terminal lucidityand near death experiences to be able to arrive at your conclusion?
People who aren’t dead provide details of experiences when they were near death. 🤦♂️ Behaviour of neurotransmitters near death is fairly well understood. Not at all evidence of anything after death. How do you explain having any experience without a nervous system? 😂 Beliefs about consciousness independent of a functioning physical body are just made up nonsense based on ignorance and wishful thinking.
i have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.
(bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.
galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.
Sea Breeze:
Becasue Jesus was a tri-patite being.... like us; he was still fully conscious in spirit after death, just as we will be.
🤦♂️ None of that has any basis in reality whatsoever.
