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  I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....

  by BeaverEater in

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  im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.

  while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.

  lol.

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  Jeffro

  See Breeze:

  The reason that you and I both subsribe to, use & have total faith in the laws of logic is because we both know the God of the bible. (Romans 1: 18) We are all "without excuse". You were made in his image same as I and use his inventions same as I do. You know those laws don't change because God "changes not." He is the source of your confidence in the truths we agree upon.

  Sigh. No, irrelevant sophistry in a religious text does not trump what I know to be true about my own thoughts. 🙄
  

  What other conclusion could a thinking person come to?

  A nonsensical question. Obviously, different individuals could hold any number of alternative real or imagined beliefs.
  

  You claim that an assumption of chaos, chance, and physicality can support nonphysical, stable and complex conceptual truths from such a source. It makes no sense.

  Your worldview is inconsistent. And, that should matter to you.... logically speaking.

  Straw man. I made no such claim that "an assumption of chaos, chance, and physicality can support nonphysical, stable and complex conceptual truths from such a source" (though you also haven't demonstrated that such couldn't be the case, hence an argument from incredulity). The expectation that I should have some alternative explanation at all to 'compete' with your imaginary explanation is a false dichotomy, and at its core, also a fallacious appeal to pride.
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  I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....

  by BeaverEater in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.

  while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.

  lol.

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  Jeffro

  I see no reason to play into the charade that the superstitions are necessary or relevant to better understanding the nature of the universe. All you need to do to stop holding the superstitions is to suspend belief in an idea until there is actual evidence to support it. Using arbitrary Bible verses as axioms does not actually constitute evidence.
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  I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....

  by BeaverEater in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.

  while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.

  lol.

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  Jeffro

  I’m saying, correctly, that your unevidenced unfalsifiable religious superstitions add nothing but additional assumptions about the nature of the universe.
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  I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....

  by BeaverEater in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.

  while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.

  lol.

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  Jeffro

  🤦‍♂️ your addition of a bunch of religious superstitions - piled on top of the same fundamental things about reality that we recognise in common - are actually superfluous.
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  I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....

  by BeaverEater in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.

  while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.

  lol.

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  Jeffro

  🤦‍♂️ The ‘rules of logic’ arise from the basic understanding that ‘things are what they are and are not what they are not’. These are basic concepts that hold true irrespective of whether things ‘arise by chance’.
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  I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....

  by BeaverEater in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.

  while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.

  lol.

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  Jeffro

  The loaded question is an irrational non sequitur that attempts to shift the burden of proof. The question assumes that logic can’t exist at all in a universe ‘based on chance’ (a form of false equivalence) and presents a false dichotomy with Christianity implied as the only alternative.
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  137

  I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....

  by BeaverEater in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.

  while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.

  lol.

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  Jeffro

  🤦‍♂️

  Aristotle recognised principles of logic long before Christianity, so I guess we should all be worshiping Zeus. 😂

  Also, the existence of an all powerful deity violates the laws of thermodynamics and is therefore illogical special pleading.
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  I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....

  by BeaverEater in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.

  while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.

  lol.

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  Jeffro

  See Breeze:

  If Christianity wasn’t true, you would have no logic at all, much less the ability to spot a fallacy.

  Non sequitur, begging the question.
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  I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....

  by BeaverEater in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.

  while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.

  lol.

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  Jeffro

  Ah… the ‘fine tuning’ argument. Yawn.

  You’ve provided no math, nor even any demonstration that an alternative presentation of the universe is probable or even possible. As expected, your ‘math’ argument is just an argument from incredulity.

  Back in reality, the probability that things have already happened the way they happened is exactly 1.
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  137

  I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....

  by BeaverEater in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.

  while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.

  lol.

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  Jeffro

  BeaverEater:

  Im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense

  Interested to see the math you’ve done to arrive at that rather specific conclusion. I hope it’s not just the usual argument from incredulity.