The ‘growth’ in various European countries is mostly people who left Ukraine. Most of the European countries with growth did not have a corresponding increase in baptisms, and while there is some lag between ‘unbaptised publisher’ and ‘baptised’, it doesn’t account for it.
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33Where’s the 2023 Service Report?
by slimboyfat inwhat’s keeping them?
this has got to be the latest it’s ever been.
maybe it’s the last one they’ll ever publish too, after dropping reporting hours for publishers ….
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2023 Yearly Report UNDER the Microscope
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/pi7sn2rnrke?si=lnvklqct6nuayv2q.
branches of jehovah’s witnesses: 85 (= down one from 86 from the previous year and quite possibly they are referring to the hong kong bethel that closed down recently).
number of lands reporting: 239 ( =the same as 2022).
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Jeffro
raymond frantz:
Total Congregations: 118,177 (=up from 117,960, a surprising increase but nevertheless a miniscule increase of just 0.18% OR 217 congregations. Of course the real metric here should be how many KH's closed down but of course they won't release this information. Is it possible that they artificially increase the number of congregations to show an increase? Quite possibly)
There was a net increase of congregations of 217, but it's not particularly impressive when it's broken down further.
The 'Democratic' Republic of Congo (with a 12% increase, 9% of which was newly baptised) got 348 new congregations. (Note that these increases include compensating for the decreases during COVID, not able to preach, delaying baptism etc. Actual increase since 2019 is 8.06% or about 2% per year.)
Brazil got 198 extra congregations, even though it reported growth of 0% (actually a net decrease of 3,336 publishers).
Not very surprisingly, the number of congregations in Ukraine went down (by 195).
All up, 1061 congregations were dissolved, offset by 1490 added in other 'lands'.
'Land' New Congregations Ukraine -195 Mexico -175 United States of America -98 Zimbabwe -75 El Salvador -47 Italy -39 South Africa -33 Cuba -33 33 Other Lands -32 Guatemala -27 Spain -19 Germany -18 Kenya -18 France -16 Britain -15 Venezuela -14 Canada -13 Australia -13 Paraguay -11 Honduras -11 Nigeria -10 Korea, Republic of -9 Greece -9 Haiti -9 Argentina -7 Panama -7 Netherlands -7 Moldova -6 Costa Rica -6 Japan -5 Hungary -5 Poland -5 Romania -5 Nicaragua -5 Côte d’Ivoire -4 Austria -4 Kazakhstan -3 Dominican Republic -3 Finland -3 Puerto Rico -3 Kyrgyzstan -3 Portugal -3 Saba -3 Fiji -2 Sri Lanka -2 Papua New Guinea -2 Malaysia -2 Taiwan -2 Denmark -2 New Caledonia -2 Rota -2 Lesotho -1 Guyana -1 Norway -1 Botswana -1 Serbia -1 Latvia -1 Slovenia -1 Armenia -1 Equatorial Guinea -1 Curaçao -1 Belize -1 Belarus -1 North Macedonia -1 Estonia -1 Israel -1 Suriname -1 Central African Republic -1 Sweden -1 Bulgaria -1 Peru 0 Switzerland 0 Vanuatu 0 Albania 0 Eswatini 0 Senegal 0 Mayotte 0 Trinidad & Tobago 0 Kiribati 0 Sudan 0 Cambodia 0 Réunion 0 New Zealand 0 Mali 0 Kosrae 0 Tuvalu 0 Chuuk 0 American Samoa 0 St. Barthélemy 0 Palau 0 Greenland 0 Turks and Caicos 0 Virgin Islands, British 0 Pohnpei 0 Bosnia and Herzegovina 0 Bermuda 0 Guam 0 Mongolia 0 Samoa 0 Montserrat 0 Guinea-Bissau 0 Virgin Islands, U.S. 0 São Tomé and Príncipe 0 Macao 0 St. Vincent & the Grenadines 0 Uruguay 0 Kosovo 0 Croatia 0 Dominica 0 Barbados 0 Andorra 0 Jamaica 0 Azores 0 St. Kitts 0 Cayman Islands 0 Aruba 0 St. Martin 0 Seychelles 0 San Marino 0 Bahamas 0 Saipan 0 Cape Verde 0 Tahiti 0 Martinique 0 Grenada 0 Gabon 0 Yap 0 Tinian 0 St. Eustatius 0 Nevis 0 Niue 0 Cook Islands 0 Guadeloupe 0 St. Lucia 0 St. Maarten 0 Madeira 0 Nepal 0 Antigua 0 Rodrigues 0 Montenegro 0 Timor-Leste 0 Marshall Islands 0 Bangladesh 0 Faroe Islands 0 Iceland 0 Gambia 0 Pakistan 0 Palestinian Territories 0 Bonaire 0 Mauritius 0 Malta 0 Liechtenstein 0 St. Helena 0 Anguilla 0 Nauru 0 St. Pierre and Miquelon 0 Niger 0 Gibraltar 0 Falkland Islands 0 Ireland 0 Tonga 0 Georgia 0 Cameroon 1 Tanzania 1 Lithuania 1 French Guiana 1 Namibia 1 Solomon Islands 1 Luxembourg 1 Cyprus 1 Wallis & Futuna Islands 1 Slovakia 1 South Sudan 1 Sierra Leone 1 Chad 1 Turkey 1 Belgium 2 Burkina Faso 2 Guinea 2 Thailand 2 Colombia 4 Hong Kong 4 Bolivia 4 Myanmar 5 Czech Republic 5 Liberia 5 Azerbaijan 5 Congo, Republic of 7 Ecuador 8 Uganda 8 Chile 9 Benin 14 Togo 14 Indonesia 15 Madagascar 15 Ethiopia 23 Angola 28 Rwanda 31 Philippines 41 Malawi 51 India 52 Zambia 76 Ghana 88 Burundi 93 Mozambique 100 Brazil 198 Congo, Dem. Republic of 348 Grand Total (239 Lands) 217 -
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Where’s the 2023 Service Report?
by slimboyfat inwhat’s keeping them?
this has got to be the latest it’s ever been.
maybe it’s the last one they’ll ever publish too, after dropping reporting hours for publishers ….
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Atlantis:
I don't know if this is accurate but you can take a look.https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/184g8nb/service_report_increase/
"Memorial attendance worldwide was 20,461,767, an increase of nearly 4 percent". Sounds good until you consider the fact that there was still a pandemic going on in 2022. In reality, the 2023 Memorial attendance was less than the 2019 Memorial attendance (20,919,041).
What actually happened with Memorial attendance:
- 2019: 20,919,041
- 2020: 17,844,773 (COVID pandemic, ad hoc arrangements)
- 2021: 21,367,603 (COVID pandemic with video attendance, harder for PIMOs to avoid)
- 2022: 19,721,672 (COVID pandemic, in-person meetings resumed)
- 2023: 20,461,767
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Jeffro
Omg… a… triangular table… Illuminati! 🤦♂️
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The FDS Photoshop
by Vanderhoven7 infor those interested in the latest version of the faithful slave.
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from the february 2024 watchtower .
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FFGhost:
The funny part is, the original photo comes from the “God’s Kingdom Rules” book, published in 2014.
The photo in that book (page 130) is different. They are in different positions, though it appears to be from the same meeting as they are all wearing the same clothing.
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2023-Novermber-Files!
by Atlantis in2023-november files.. 2023 shepherd the flock of god--elder manual in english.
2023-november announcements and reminders.download..https://www.filemail.com/d/thynixcxksaypqy orhttps://we.tl/t-lciljrizhsgrandpa!
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Jeffro
The letter provides a list of changes, but a sentence that shows that JWs do provide settings where JWs work with minors was quietly deleted without mention (chapter 2, section 3, point 3 in 2021 version) ...
Determining whether it is advisable for another publisher to conduct a Bible study with the child of aChristian parent. -
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2023-10-13-Announcement (Reporting Field Service)
by Atlantis in2023-10-13-announcements (reporting field service).
page 1. https://imgbox.com/96lgsfw4 .
page 2. https://imgbox.com/zynoa02m .
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Jeffro
Phizzy:
Come on Jeffro ! Admit it ! You had a hidden Recording Device in that very G.B. meeting didn't you ?
Uh... that, I think, would seem to be quite presumptuous. 🤣
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2023-10-13-Announcement (Reporting Field Service)
by Atlantis in2023-10-13-announcements (reporting field service).
page 1. https://imgbox.com/96lgsfw4 .
page 2. https://imgbox.com/zynoa02m .
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Jeffro
"The Scriptural basis for these adjustments will be shared with the worldwide brotherhood in the November 2023 JW Broadcast program. We know you will want to watch that program ASAP!"
I believe the internal conversation would have gone something a little like this:
Geoffrey Jackson: We have the statistics for this year's Service Report™, and just like the last few years, growth is nowhere near where we would like it!
Mark Sanderson: We need a new way to boost growth!
David Splane: Well, we already inflate the perception of 'growth' by only counting people who preach, rather than all adherents like regular churches.
Gerrit Lösch: Right, so we need to something else to get those report numbers up!
Gage Fleegle: Obviously. But some of the brothers might be embarrassed about reporting a low number of hours, or ashamed of lying about the specific number of hours they did. Or worried that they will get a shepherding call if they aren't placing literature.
Jeffrey Winder: Right! Let's just tell the brothers they don't have to report any of that anymore... just tick a box to say they preached. Even a lot of Inactive™ brothers might be okay with just ticking a box.
Stephen Lett: The number of Active™ Witnesses will skyrocket! When the 2024 report comes out, we can say "Jehovah is speeding up the work in the final days of the last days"!
Kenneth Cook: Good... good... but we still need an incentive for the ones who want to feel better than everyone else. Let's keep the reporting rules for 'pioneers' to report hours and literature. And we can keep the perception of interest by still letting everyone report their own children as Bible Studies™.
Samuel Herd: Huh... oh... that was a lovely nap! Did I miss anything?
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Thought on “0 hours” reporting
by FFGhost inso everyone knows the “big news” of this past weekend, no more reporting of hours, placements, return visits, etc.
beginning november 1, jws just tick a box indicating whether they “shared in any form of the ministry during the month”.. so there was a brief comment by a redditor that seems like a brief joke “throwaway comment” but after thinking about it….why not?.
the idea is, what is “any form of the ministry”?
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Jeffro
Now that 'inactive' JWs can just tick a box because they mentioned their religion to their neighbour in passing for 3 seconds, they can be counted as 'active'.
Look forward to a significant 'increase' in the report for 2024. 🙄 But they have to release the report for 2023 first...
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Changes to prophecy
by Rattigan350 inthe search feature is not easy to find things so i'll start a new topic.. the july 2022 w had this picture.. .
note that they say satan and his demons were cast out of heaven, about 1914. their math is getting fuzzier.. and there was a recent topic on here about the 1000 year reign.
this shows that it starts at armageddon..
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Kosonen:
I believe the ousting of Satan from heaven is still a future event.
I suppose this is correct in the loose sense that 'it hasn't happened yet', but only because it is a fiction that will never happen.
Notably, there are no correct dates in the timeline. Even if it could be established that Jesus is accurately portrayed in the stories written about him decades later, he would have been born in 4BC, baptised 26AD, and died 30AD. Abraham is a fictitious allegorical character, but if he existed at all, then based on the Bible, it wasn't in 1943 BC. (The actual placement of Abraham depends on which interpretation is taken for the spurious '400 years of enslavement in Egypt' starting from either Ishmael teasing Isaac or after Jacob went to Egypt, though both versions result in inconsistencies, and neither arrives at 1943BC.) The concept of Satan being 'cast out of heaven to the vicinity of the earth' contradicts the Watch Tower Society's position that the 'spirit realm' is independent of any physical location in the universe. And that's all before we get to their beliefs about 1914 being nonsense.