1914 generation is long gone.
1975 was a joke 40 years ago.
i know of many witnesses still hanging on for armagedon but when will they give up?
Rattigan350:
How are you calling 1914 wrong without replacing it with something that can be right?
Fallacy: argument from ignorance, non sequitur. There isn’t anything ‘right’ to replace it with because the entire premise is faulty. Aside from that, it isn’t necessary to know an exact answer for something to know that a particular answer is wrong. For example, if I say the square root of 7636546745875348734744763673674 is 3, it isn’t necessary to know the correct answer to know that it isn’t 3.
i've been crapping on the wt a lot lately, which sometimes seems a bit unfair to me, especially since i was never in, therefore i don't really have a dog in the fight.
to provide a bit of balance, i'll reminisce about the rampant prophecy speculation going on in mainstream christianity (i refuse to use the wt's pejorative term: "christendom", especially since by definition, they're part of that classification 🙄) in the 70s and 80s.
to be fair, the churches themselves had been around long enough to realise that end times interpretations are like arseholes, everybody has one.
jhine:
Someone didn't think that through .
They knew exactly what they were doing.😈 😆
(revelation 17:5) “babylon the great, the mother of the prostitutes (plural!
) and of the disgusting things of the earth.”.
btg is spotlighted as being the principal "disgusting thing" which affects christians & christianity, with other lesser "prostitutes" in the background... (revelation 18:4) “get out of her, my people, (christians) if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues.".
Sea Breeze:
(Preterism is false teaching)
Preterism is indeed false, because it (at least in its most common form) interprets parts of Daniel as being in the first century, rather than no later than 2nd century BCE.
Early Christian expectations of Jesus returning within a generation of his death were never fulfilled rather than ‘everything happening in 70AD’.
i've been crapping on the wt a lot lately, which sometimes seems a bit unfair to me, especially since i was never in, therefore i don't really have a dog in the fight.
to provide a bit of balance, i'll reminisce about the rampant prophecy speculation going on in mainstream christianity (i refuse to use the wt's pejorative term: "christendom", especially since by definition, they're part of that classification 🙄) in the 70s and 80s.
to be fair, the churches themselves had been around long enough to realise that end times interpretations are like arseholes, everybody has one.
pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis.
things got a bit lively after the agm leaks in october.
there was a lot of discussion going on on this board for a few months.
now that all the leaks have been more or less confirmed as policy, and we've had lively discussions at length concerning the changes, things seem to have slowed down here.. a few suggestions have been raised as to what might be the next changes, such as women being allowed to wear slacks (in the usa, anyway), decoupling from 1914 as an anchoring date and others.. so, what changes do you think will be announced this year?.
DD:
Isn’t it strange that the one true religion allows the worlds view of beards to shape their view? Satan’s world didn’t like beards so beards were bad. Now it’s acceptable because Satan’s world accepts men with beards??
Maybe birthdays next? Probably not for a while I guess. But piñatas are okay despite originating from the birthday of an Aztec sun god.
(revelation 17:5) “babylon the great, the mother of the prostitutes (plural!
) and of the disgusting things of the earth.”.
btg is spotlighted as being the principal "disgusting thing" which affects christians & christianity, with other lesser "prostitutes" in the background... (revelation 18:4) “get out of her, my people, (christians) if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues.".
Rivergang:
However, that idea has long since been discarded - almost to the point of being considered pseudoscience.
Correct, apart from the ‘almost’.
The Tower of Babel
is simply a borrowed myth.
(revelation 17:5) “babylon the great, the mother of the prostitutes (plural!
) and of the disgusting things of the earth.”.
btg is spotlighted as being the principal "disgusting thing" which affects christians & christianity, with other lesser "prostitutes" in the background... (revelation 18:4) “get out of her, my people, (christians) if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues.".
Sea Breeze;
My bet is on Rome as Babylon the Great
Revelation indeed was referring to Rome, But it has nothing to do with Rome (or the Vatican) now. Revelation was referring to empirical Rome at the time of writing and a hypothetical near-future at the time.
(revelation 17:5) “babylon the great, the mother of the prostitutes (plural!
) and of the disgusting things of the earth.”.
btg is spotlighted as being the principal "disgusting thing" which affects christians & christianity, with other lesser "prostitutes" in the background... (revelation 18:4) “get out of her, my people, (christians) if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues.".
I have actually been part of this discussion from the earliest part.
Actually, I correctly identified Babylon the Great as Rome very early in the thread, before you elaborated on extraneous church traditions (some of which necessarily sought to make the identity more consistent for later contemporary Christianity), which were of some historical interest but tend to muddy the waters about the original actual meaning.
Babylon the Great was Rome—a city on seven hills, and a city with a kingdom over other kings (basileus, βασιλεύς, Strong’s G935), the specific term used when referring to kings of Rome’s clients kingdoms (e.g, Herod at Matthew 2:3 and Mark 6:14). Jerusalem held no such position, and other proposed identities just get more and more fanciful.
i've been crapping on the wt a lot lately, which sometimes seems a bit unfair to me, especially since i was never in, therefore i don't really have a dog in the fight.
to provide a bit of balance, i'll reminisce about the rampant prophecy speculation going on in mainstream christianity (i refuse to use the wt's pejorative term: "christendom", especially since by definition, they're part of that classification 🙄) in the 70s and 80s.
to be fair, the churches themselves had been around long enough to realise that end times interpretations are like arseholes, everybody has one.
I suppose hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia can be fun if not taken seriously. But the ‘beast’ in question was Nero, and despite the superstition at the time that he would return, he’s quite dead and everyone can rest easy without fear of the number 666 (or 616 if you prefer the Greek rendering of his name).
(revelation 17:5) “babylon the great, the mother of the prostitutes (plural!
) and of the disgusting things of the earth.”.
btg is spotlighted as being the principal "disgusting thing" which affects christians & christianity, with other lesser "prostitutes" in the background... (revelation 18:4) “get out of her, my people, (christians) if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues.".
even making a list of how since from the very beginning, starting from the Church Fathers, Christians have used various ways of interpreting Revelation, including the:This is the kind of stuff that might sound impressive and is of interest from a historical point of view, particularly in seeing how the church adapted over time, often in response to successive failed expectations. But the mutually exclusive concepts, most of which rely on magical thinking and superstition (especially Futurism and Historicism but also Preterism with its erroneous position of pushing application of Daniel into the first century) or relegate too much to symbolism (forms of Idealism), are not particularly useful in any practical way, nor do they represent the original intent of the various biblical apocalypses.
- Preterist View
- Critical View
- Idealist View
- Historist View and
- Futurist View.
