this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
joey jojo:
Non-human members of the animal kingdom do not know right from wrong.
That sweeping statement based on an errant comparison with human morality is incorrect. Though other animals lack the same level of complex language and reasoning, various species - particularly social species - demonstrate varying degrees of empathy, fairness, justice, punishment, remorse, cooperation, loyalty, problem solving, etc.
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
Halcon:
The snake asked Eve to repeat the very exact words of God
No it didn’t.
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
Halcon:
Hehe.... keep trying jeffro
I don’t need to ‘keep trying’. I have already demonstrated that your understanding of the story is fallaciously impacted by theological bias beyond what the story actually says.
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
Halcon:
God created the angels, including the one now known as the snake.
🤣 So he can add an entire layer of narrative to the story that isn’t present, but he gets annoyed with me because the story didn’t use the word “actually”. 🤦♂️
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
Halcon:
God simply said 'you will die'... whereas the snake said 'you will not die '.
And the snake was right. She ate the fruit and didn’t die. The god in the story took separate steps after its lie about the knowledge fruit was made evident.
If I tell you that you will die if you eat a meal today, it doesn’t make that meal causative of the fact that you will die some day. 🤦♂️ (And it makes me no better if I decide to kill you if you eat a meal.)
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
TonusOH:
I accept the premise that the serpent deceived Eve.
It didn’t. The wise serpent (the same word translated ‘crafty’ or ‘cunning’ is translated as ‘wise’ or ‘prudent’ in Proverbs) truthfully told Eve that eating the fruit doesn’t actually cause death. After ‘the jig was up’ when it became evident that eating the fruit doesn’t cause death, the god takes separate steps to prevent the humans from living forever.
But where does the serpent come from? God must have created it.
A valid question and conclusion if the story is (erroneously) taken as an original Jewish story, and in the context of later Christian interpretations. But in reality, the snake, the god, and the god’s entourage, are all borrowed tropes from an older story.
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
Halcon:
The entire story is maybe 14 , 15 verses.
Seems you must be reading a different story. 🤣
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
Halcon:
There is nothing capricious or deceptive by God found in those verses.
Genesis 3:22-24:
22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the groundfrom which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming swordflashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.Maybe you’re reading a different story. Or just so enamoured with the character based on other stories that you can’t see that the character is a jerk.
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
Halcon:
The alternative, the story in isolation, would have been ongoing life for Adam...making love to his wife... making children....in a paradise... without struggle...
No, that isn’t indicated in the story. The story indicates that the god is capricious and deceptive. Who knows what else it would do to the naive unwitting people if they continued ignorant.
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
Halcon:
The snake was clearly at fault in my opinion.
But that isn’t because of an honest examination of the story in isolation. It’s been drummed into your head which character is necessarily good no matter what, and the characters have been distorted by characterisations in other stories.
