the people and culture who wrote the story.
Strictly speaking, it is a derivative work adapted from the Babylonians, and the Jewish interpretations have been added later and do not fully represent the intentions of the original story.
Posts by Jeffro
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299Who told the first lie?
by nicolaou inthis is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
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Jeffro
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Who told the first lie?
by nicolaou inthis is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
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Jeffro
That is why this has lasted so long on this forum. You can't decide whether God lied or not, not because God lied or didn't or because it is a myth or not, but because each of you here involved believe in different things when you use the word "God," even if you are atheist or agnostic.
By and large, most people in the thread have been talking about what the story actually says along with ‘in-universe’ speculation about the content of the story. It’s mainly been you that has strayed from that approach, albeit with mostly interesting material about the actual intent of the story (along with smatterings of judgemental condescension).
It’s not actually that useful to the original intent of the thread to point out that ‘God didn’t really tell the first lie because it’s just a story to teach a lesson’, which is just another layer of what you accused everyone else of doing. Which is fine. But don’t get high and mighty about it.
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Who told the first lie?
by nicolaou inthis is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
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Jeffro
They get nitpicky, like Jeffro, over the wrong points.
You can’t help yourself can you. These snide little judgements of people who point out any little thing you get wrong. Please stick to good content and just say those nonsense parts to yourself.
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Who told the first lie?
by nicolaou inthis is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
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Jeffro
🙄 And you were doing so well....Or that you give credit to.
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Who told the first lie?
by nicolaou inthis is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
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Jeffro
The claim that the practice of including ‘narratives’ in modern law books was adopted from the Mosaic Law (itself derived from Babylonian law and other early influences) is a simplification. Western legal systems have been developed through various influences, particularly Roman law and English common law. Stating the facts of specific cases in law books is more strongly tied to English common law rather than a direct or intentional adoption of Jewish tradition. The cases establishing case law refer to actual events rather than cautionary fictional tales. Also, the presence of the Ten Commandments in courtrooms or on state land is a reflection of cultural heritage rather than legal foundation. It is a frequent lie, especially in the US, that Western laws are ‘based on the Ten Commandments’. More than half of the Ten Commandments are not laws in the US, and the establishment clause of the US Constitution prohibits the first 4.
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Who told the first lie?
by nicolaou inthis is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
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Jeffro
KalebOutWest:
This is an example of "The Mandela Effect,"
Not really. The Mandela Effect refers to details that are widely misremembered, not simply a widespread incorrect belief that a mythical story is historical. (MMM didn’t say that God told them it was wrong, but only that it would be pointless to do so if they didn’t understand that anyway, so that wasn’t an example of the Mandela Effect in the scope of the narrative either. It’s just speculation about details that are not provided.)
Of course the rest of the point still holds aside from the semantics though.
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Who told the first lie?
by nicolaou inthis is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
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Jeffro
nicolaou:
Don't waste your time Jeffro. God's lies are the theme of this topic so obfuscation is the least we can expect from his followers.
Oh I know. But he’s the foil, not the audience.
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Who told the first lie?
by nicolaou inthis is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
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Jeffro
🤦♂️
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Who told the first lie?
by nicolaou inthis is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
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Jeffro
What a load of nonsense. The chemistry is already understood (and if it weren’t, your position would still just be an argument from ignorance anyway). There’s no need for a sky wizard. And metabolism of cells has nothing to do with a ‘truer self’ (whatever that means). 🙄
Only theists claim that life arises from ‘scattered dust’.
Still no meaningful definition provided.
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Who told the first lie?
by nicolaou inthis is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
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Jeffro
Halcon:
Hehe, you have a way of verifying if spirit matches up with my definition?
Well I said it’s unverifiable so obviously not. 🤦♂️ If your comprehension skills are this poor, it’s obvious why you got so many of the details wrong about the ‘Adam and Eve’ story. There’s no evidence for a deity and your prattle about a ‘truer self’ is esoteric drivel that doesn’t even relate to your first attempt at a definition. In reality ‘spirit’ is a superstitious placeholder for whatever nonsense the ‘believer’ feels like it is at the time.