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  The HLC do not pressure JWs

  by usualusername1 in

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  the hospital liaison committee (hlc) for jehovah’s witnesses does not pressure members to refuse blood transfusions.

  rather, their role is to support jehovah’s witnesses in adhering to their pre-existing religious beliefs, which include a strict prohibition against accepting blood transfusions based on their interpretation of biblical scriptures.. jehovah’s witnesses are well-informed about their stance on blood from an early age, and refusing blood is a deeply ingrained religious conviction, not something imposed during a medical crisis.

  the hlc’s purpose is to provide assistance in accessing bloodless treatment options, facilitating communication with healthcare providers, and helping ensure that the patient’s choices are respected.. while the hlc strongly supports adherence to the beliefs of jehovah’s witnesses, the ultimate decision remains with the individual.

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  Jeffro

  Jehovah’s Witnesses are well-informed about their stance on blood from an early age

  That's a very telling statement. It's not really 'their stance', it is a stance dictated to them.
  
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  Jehovah's Witness Governing Body, (New Light Division) Are Vegetable Oils not more important than Beards?

  by was a new boy in

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  'use vegetable oil and soft margarine in place of animal fat,'.

  https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101997444?q=vegetable+oil&p=par.

  'when possible, cook with unsaturated vegetable oils.'.

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  Yes let’s stick to what it says. You are trying to claim it doesn’t say what it actually does say.

  Huh? You're still on about this? The article, which was to promote WHO information as part of their obligation as an NGO associated with the UN in the 1990s, provided some diet advice from the WHO that seed oils might be preferable and that reducing egg yolk consumption can reduce cholesterol levels. Elements of the 'food pyramid' popularised in the 1990s have since been discredited by newer research, but they didn't know that at the time. Beyond that, you and the other conspiracy nutters are making things up.
  

  why are you trying to cover for the GB?

  Huh? If you imagine that, you're delusional. The dietary information wasn't 'made up by the governing body', the article just provided dietary advice of the time as provided by separate organisations.

  Do you think it’s good advice to replace butter with margarine?

  Margarine isn't plastic and it's not a government conspiracy. Eating unprocessed foods in moderation is generally better than excessive consumption, especially processed foods. I don't particularly care whether people prefer to eat butter or margarine, or their other dietary choices they make for themselves. Some people have health conditions that make their dietary decisions more important for them, for various reasons. I have no control or responsibility over them. I'll eat whatever I like, and you can feel free to do the same.

  do you think it’s correct all those things they say?

  "all those things they say" is pretty open ended. Are you still talking about the diet articles (which provided recommendations from the World Health Organisation), or is this some slippery slope into a tedious black-and-white thinking fallacy? (You don't need to answer that, I don't care.)
  
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  Jehovah's Witness Governing Body, (New Light Division) Are Vegetable Oils not more important than Beards?

  by was a new boy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  'use vegetable oil and soft margarine in place of animal fat,'.

  https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101997444?q=vegetable+oil&p=par.

  'when possible, cook with unsaturated vegetable oils.'.

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  Jeffro

  They clearly did encourage heating the oils to very high temps which is what is really harmful for seed oils. If you don’t heat them then some seed oils are not too harmful like good raw olive oil.
  they clearly did insinuate that egg yolks are bad for you.

  Because who cares about what the article actually said when you can just claim they said other stuff. 🤷‍♂️
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  Sorcery = Pharmakeia

  by KerryKing in

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  rev18:23 '....you deceived the nations with your sorceries'.. the interlinear for sorceries reads pharmakeia.. bible hub has some interesting definitions, i'll try to share screenshots below.

  the gist of it is that sorcery involves drugs/medicines/poisons, with or without spells, sorcery is not the same as witchcraft or divination, or white/black magic.

  i have long wondered about the connection between the medical/pharmaceutical industry's symbol of the serpent wrapped around a pole/stake, and the use of the word pharmaceuticals/pharmacy.. considering the common use of fluoride in public drinking water, nsaids with side effects such as depression, brain fog, dizziness, and opioids, mrna gene therapy, vaccines and so on, i wonder am i going mad, are these all coincidences??

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  Good grief
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  Sorcery = Pharmakeia

  by KerryKing in

  1. watchtower
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  rev18:23 '....you deceived the nations with your sorceries'.. the interlinear for sorceries reads pharmakeia.. bible hub has some interesting definitions, i'll try to share screenshots below.

  the gist of it is that sorcery involves drugs/medicines/poisons, with or without spells, sorcery is not the same as witchcraft or divination, or white/black magic.

  i have long wondered about the connection between the medical/pharmaceutical industry's symbol of the serpent wrapped around a pole/stake, and the use of the word pharmaceuticals/pharmacy.. considering the common use of fluoride in public drinking water, nsaids with side effects such as depression, brain fog, dizziness, and opioids, mrna gene therapy, vaccines and so on, i wonder am i going mad, are these all coincidences??

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  I'm a little confused as to why you sound so angry

  No, not angry, just to the point. If you think I’m ‘angry’, that’s a reflection of your own biases and a deflection from objectivity.

  but I genuinely hope you find peace in life.

  I don’t need to ‘find peace’, but thanks all the same.
  
  
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  Sorcery = Pharmakeia

  by KerryKing in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  rev18:23 '....you deceived the nations with your sorceries'.. the interlinear for sorceries reads pharmakeia.. bible hub has some interesting definitions, i'll try to share screenshots below.

  the gist of it is that sorcery involves drugs/medicines/poisons, with or without spells, sorcery is not the same as witchcraft or divination, or white/black magic.

  i have long wondered about the connection between the medical/pharmaceutical industry's symbol of the serpent wrapped around a pole/stake, and the use of the word pharmaceuticals/pharmacy.. considering the common use of fluoride in public drinking water, nsaids with side effects such as depression, brain fog, dizziness, and opioids, mrna gene therapy, vaccines and so on, i wonder am i going mad, are these all coincidences??

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  Jeffro

  Not sure how many facepalms I should put in one thread. But that deserves one. 🤦‍♂️

  I don’t subscribe to Preterism. Just reality.

  But feel free to provide actual evidence for your superstitious alternatives
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  Sorcery = Pharmakeia

  by KerryKing in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  rev18:23 '....you deceived the nations with your sorceries'.. the interlinear for sorceries reads pharmakeia.. bible hub has some interesting definitions, i'll try to share screenshots below.

  the gist of it is that sorcery involves drugs/medicines/poisons, with or without spells, sorcery is not the same as witchcraft or divination, or white/black magic.

  i have long wondered about the connection between the medical/pharmaceutical industry's symbol of the serpent wrapped around a pole/stake, and the use of the word pharmaceuticals/pharmacy.. considering the common use of fluoride in public drinking water, nsaids with side effects such as depression, brain fog, dizziness, and opioids, mrna gene therapy, vaccines and so on, i wonder am i going mad, are these all coincidences??

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  Jeffro

  🤦‍♂️
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  Jehovah's Witness Governing Body, (New Light Division) Are Vegetable Oils not more important than Beards?

  by was a new boy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  'use vegetable oil and soft margarine in place of animal fat,'.

  https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101997444?q=vegetable+oil&p=par.

  'when possible, cook with unsaturated vegetable oils.'.

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  Teddnzo:

  Then they even say to heat the seed oils to very high temperatures. This advice is so very harmful.

  ”Cook the food until it is very hot. ”

  Did they though? Or are you just selectively quoting the source to push a narrative? The actual statement from the source says:

  Cook food until it is very hot. Food, including the innermost portions of meat, must reach 70 degrees Celsius (160°F) for at least 30 seconds.

  The smoke point of all of the common refined cooking oils is well above those temperatures. They vary, but generally over 200°C (392°F). And they weren't even specifically talking about heating seed oils.

  Teddnzo:
  

  I just can’t believe They really did say that egg yolk is harmful
  

  No. They said:

  Another way to decrease cholesterol in your diet is to reduce your consumption of egg yolks to one or two per week;

  If someone has high cholesterol and wants to lower it, that's one thing they can do. If someone is not concerned about high cholesterol, they might choose to eat more egg yolks and other tasty things.

  What is more interesting about the Awake! article from 1997 is that it presents recommendations from the World Health Organisation during the period that the Watch Tower Society was registered as an NGO in association with the UN. One of the requirements of that status was to support and disseminate information related to UN objectives.
  
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  Sorcery = Pharmakeia

  by KerryKing in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  rev18:23 '....you deceived the nations with your sorceries'.. the interlinear for sorceries reads pharmakeia.. bible hub has some interesting definitions, i'll try to share screenshots below.

  the gist of it is that sorcery involves drugs/medicines/poisons, with or without spells, sorcery is not the same as witchcraft or divination, or white/black magic.

  i have long wondered about the connection between the medical/pharmaceutical industry's symbol of the serpent wrapped around a pole/stake, and the use of the word pharmaceuticals/pharmacy.. considering the common use of fluoride in public drinking water, nsaids with side effects such as depression, brain fog, dizziness, and opioids, mrna gene therapy, vaccines and so on, i wonder am i going mad, are these all coincidences??

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  Jeffro

  🙄 It’s called a metaphor. The author of Revelation was expressing a view that contemporary Rome had corrupted the minds of the people of its client kingdoms in a way similar to how minds can be affected by drugs. No conspiracy. No great mystery. Nothing relevant to anything happening now.
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  Jehovah's Witness Governing Body, (New Light Division) Are Vegetable Oils not more important than Beards?

  by was a new boy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  'use vegetable oil and soft margarine in place of animal fat,'.

  https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101997444?q=vegetable+oil&p=par.

  'when possible, cook with unsaturated vegetable oils.'.

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  Jeffro

  Just because margarine isn’t plastic 🙄, it doesn’t mean that the types of fat in margarine are necessarily good for you. Hydrogenated vegetable oils contain trans fats, which are associated with health problems. They are found in many processed foods, not just margarine. Not all margarine products contain hydrogenated oils.

  Problems with seed oils generally relate to heating them beyond their smoke point causing changes to the chemical composition (no, still not plastic), as well as overconsumption (which often goes along with overconsumption of unhealthy foods generally).