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Great Quotes from Societies Literature

by Sheepish in

i may be behind the times here with this, cause i'm so new, but i picked up an old copy of "let god be true"(1946) at a yard sale, and i've been kinda skimming through it.

this statement jumped out at me.

i got a good laugh considering how, they won't give let you share the other side of an issue with them, calling it "apostate" and all...( maybe you have other ones that you've found.).

Jeffro

How about this, from the March 15, 1955 Watchtower:

Perhaps one of the outstanding uses of illustrations is to side-step bias or prejudice or partiality. We are usually biased in our own favor. We tend to protect ourselves, our opinions, our actions, our cherished beliefs, and if anyone criticizes them we automatically defend them. Pride makes it hard for us to admit we are wrong. If it was a matter of conduct we make excuses or think of extenuating circumstances. It is not just a matter of logic, of reasoning on the situation. It is a question of emotion also. And emotion is not always reasonable. Oftentimes it wins the tug of war with logic. But if we can reason on the same situation without knowing we are involved, logic and reasoning can do their work unhindered by personal feelings. Here is where the illustration comes into play. It will side-step prejudice, sever the person from the event, put him in the position of an impartial observer with no personal stake involved, and will let him decide purely on the basis of right principles.

I think it sums up the Society pretty well.

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JOIN IF YOU DARE - 5-6 WORD GAME!

by gladdy in

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How do JW's refer to DF and DA?

by Jourles in

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i cannot for the life of me remember how i used to refer to ones who were df'd or had da'd while i was a jdub.

i *think* i used to say "so and so was disfellowshipped" rather than "so and so was df'd.

" but i can't remember.. a few days ago, i briefly overheard someone say "was df'd," which caught my immediate attention.

Jeffro

Maybe it's just a local thing, but here they (used to) say that "so-and-so got d'ed"" (pronounced like "deed")

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The 1914 Doctrine and The Threat of the Egibi Business Tablets

by VM44 in

could the watchtower and the jehovah's witnesses survive the discarding of their 1914 doctrine?

the doctrine that in 1914 the end of the gentile times took place, jesus took up rule in heaven.

for some reason the jws think the outbreak of world war i in 1914 is proof their prophetic calculations were correct.

Jeffro

You seem to be concerned by the fact that your letter to the Society was not properly answered or dealt with, so if this is the case then perhaps you could forward a copy to me and I may be able to assist you in your hour of distress.

I think my "hour of distress" has passed but thanks for your kind offer. LOL. In any case, I don't think that you would offer anything useful, as although you have provided more 'information' on this forum than with which the Society responded to my letter, pretty much all of what you have said has been, at best, tainted with flaws, and more often, completely incorrect, and your bias in the face of logical argument is more than obvious. Not forgetting that it was people like you who caused my "hour of distress" in the first place by teaching me lies, and then by mistreating me when I found out the truth.

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The 1914 Doctrine and The Threat of the Egibi Business Tablets

by VM44 in

could the watchtower and the jehovah's witnesses survive the discarding of their 1914 doctrine?

the doctrine that in 1914 the end of the gentile times took place, jesus took up rule in heaven.

for some reason the jws think the outbreak of world war i in 1914 is proof their prophetic calculations were correct.

Jeffro

Hardly, I have seen many letters addressed to the Society and the Society's replies which have been posted on various forums. Many such letters are long and argumentative and the Society responds to such honest and humble inquiries in a simple and clear matter. They have no intention of getting into long arguments about matters which in most cases are clearly explained in our literature.

Predictably, you have replied with "your preconceived ideas getting in the way of what you know absolutely know nothing about". You know absolutely nothing of the content of the letter I sent, so you assume that it took the form of the long-winded ones you have seen elsewhere. If things were 'clearly explained in their literature', I would have had no need to send the letter, and they did not add any clarification to justify their points.

The most difficult of all subjects is chronology and that as a subject of much complexity for all genuine inquirers, it is better to stick to the facts presented in the Bible and avoid assumptions of which are many. But individual brothers and the public are welcome to write questions and they will receive a suitable reply.

Though the Society will answer questions, any information that is not in agreement with the Society very quickly brings out their Nazi mentality.

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Franz' statement is outrageously unreasonable!

by Schizm in

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eternal life on earth?

god told the first human couple their destiny if they disobeyed.

he did not discuss their eternal future if they obeyed.

Jeffro

Whether or not Genesis discussed what would happen if mankind had not sinned, there is still a fundamental flaw with the theology of the 'fall' as taught by most Christian religions.

If we work with the assumptions that God exists, that that God is the God of the Bible, and that that God is omniscient, then God knew that mankind would die from the outset and did nothing to prevent it because it was part of his will. If a human did this, it would be murder.

If we modify the last assumption such that god is not all-knowing about the future, but can choose to know the future, then he is grossly negligent. If a human did this, it would be manslaughter.

The only defense left is that God can do whatever he likes with inferior lifeforms, but this is not consistent with being a God of love.

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The 1914 Doctrine and The Threat of the Egibi Business Tablets

by VM44 in

could the watchtower and the jehovah's witnesses survive the discarding of their 1914 doctrine?

the doctrine that in 1914 the end of the gentile times took place, jesus took up rule in heaven.

for some reason the jws think the outbreak of world war i in 1914 is proof their prophetic calculations were correct.

Jeffro

Our organization is based on Christian freedom and if an individual has an intellectual contribution then that should be prepared in a proper format as one would do if his research was to be submitted as paper to a journal publisher. Then such a sincere person would send a covering letter with the material and simply leave the matter in the hands of those responsible for the writing up of articles such as the Writing Committee of the Governing Body. Such a sincere and humble individual would not seek to promote his views to others especially if the material is of a controversial nature.

Scholar, your claim here is drivel, and I know first-hand. If you write a letter to the Society with questions and detailed information that conflicts with their doctrines, they send you a reply trying to say you are wrong, without any actual evidence, and they send it via the local elders so they can try to make you acquiesce with what you know to be wrong. Of course, to this you will reply that it must have been the wording of the letter, but that will just be your preconceived ideas getting in the way of what you know absolutely know nothing about.

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The 1914 Doctrine and The Threat of the Egibi Business Tablets

by VM44 in

could the watchtower and the jehovah's witnesses survive the discarding of their 1914 doctrine?

the doctrine that in 1914 the end of the gentile times took place, jesus took up rule in heaven.

for some reason the jws think the outbreak of world war i in 1914 is proof their prophetic calculations were correct.

Jeffro

Methodology is simply the study or application of method in relation to a discipline or line of inquiry or investigation and is very much applicable to the study of chronology or its construction. Celebrated WT scholars have developed a 'event based' method for our chronology wheras you believe in the use of a 'regnal based' method for your system.

You are combining the two different valid definitions of 'methodology' here to arrive at an invalid one. Methodology is 'a set of principles and methods used in a particular discipline' or it is 'the philosophical study of methods' but it is not a 'a study of the methods of a particular discipline'. Your salivating scholars have a doctrine-based model. Normal people have a model that takes into account both 'event based' and 'regnal based' details.

Again, our methodology is to use the Bible as the primary source and basis for the construction of the chronology whereas your chronology gives primary weight to the secular sources or documents and then try to fit the Bible to these documents.

Once again you straight-out lie. I have already indicated previously that in determining the layout of my model I used only the bible to lay out all of the information relating to the Judean Monarchy before even looking at any secular information. The information correlates extremely well with secular history, and did not require that I 'try to fit' the Bible in.

In view of the immense confusion and problems associated with all current secular chronologies the system adopted by WT scholars is the only one that works, it is simple, accurate and faithful to Scripture. In contrast, your model is a failure, producing no results, betrays God's Word and is the work of demons. You can have it!!

LOL... "the work of demons". Sheesh... It is the work of honest and logical interpretation that does not seek to arrive at a particular conclusion to lend support to a doctrine. The Society's model on the other hand is forced to ignore facts... outside of its own circular reasoning, the Society's model doesn't work at all, it is certainly not simpler than the model I have provided (in harmony with professionals in the field), with its twisting of rule relative to rule relative to rule rubbish. It is not accurate, as the many flaws indicated on this forum and elsewhere have demonstrated.

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"We will eat your dollars!"

by MegaDude in

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an interesting article on the nigerian email scammers, their culture and their mentality.

'we will eat your dollars' to the cyber scammers in nigeria who trawl for victims on the internet, americans are easy targets.

but one thief had second thoughts.. .

Jeffro

jgnat,

The fastest way to end the predators AND the poverty is to help these third world countries build their basic infrastructure and services. When people are well-fed and content, they start to get tired of the civil strife and tell the bullies to go home.

You've got it all wrong. We don't need to do anything at all. 'Soon' God's Kingdom® will transform these poverty-stricken regions into delightful (though slightly corpse-filled) gardens, so what need do we have for a social conscience?

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FDS says "bury your toilet waste for Jehovah!"

by jstalin in

from the current beacon of knowledge, the fds web site:.

http://www.watchtower.org/library/rq/index.htm?article=article_09.htm.

5. physical cleanness: because they represent god, christians should keep their bodies and clothing clean.

Jeffro

I wish they would address keeping the toilet seat down!

If only the hardest thing in life was having to put the toilet seat down...

If someone's neglected to put it down, just put it down yourself. It's really not that hard... it's basically a hinge and really quite simple, and certainly not worth the incredible amount of whinging devoted to it.

Sometimes guys have to put the toilet seat down too, but you don't hear them complaining endlessly about it.