dec 25?.
oct 1?.
i have even heard some recent speculation on jesus possibly being born in march which is interesting.. october seems reasonable with the rational of "shepherds watched their flocks by night" and in the december months it would be too cold for them to be out?
ghostbuster:
At the moment I don't believe that christ was a legend. I think he definitely existed. He decided that this is about the right time for the messiah to appear and cleverly took on the role himself.
That doesn't actually make sense. "Christ" means "Messiah". I think you mean that you believe that Jesus was not a legend?
i disassociated myself from jws about 20 years ago so i'm a bit rusty on christian teaching.
the intersting thing though is i hadn't completely disassociated my mind from their teachings and it's only been recently that i've had true independent thought.
it's scary if you think about it.
The reason God himself came to be the sacrificial lamb is because he loves his creation and God, by nature, is love. The scriptures say that the greatest act of love is that a man lay down his life for a friend. By God coming to be the sacrifice required to bring man to himself, he performs the greatest act of love and calls those who believe on Jesus Christ (God), friend. If God sent someone else to die for the world which he created, He would not have performed that great act of love. Aside from that, no human could have bore the cross because all men are born into sin and born of the flesh. But God, born of the Spirit in the God-man Jesus Christ, is perfect.
The scriptures also say that children should not die for the sins of their fathers.
Wouldn't it be more loving and merciful to forgive mankind without the bloodshed? So much for turn the other cheek.
Why is it that someone who espouses the love of God so much has an avatar of a mouse crippled by a laser printer's toner cartridge anyway?
millions of complex objects (cameras, adjustable wrenches, etc.
) have been seen to come into existence under the direction/workmanship of intelligent designers.
however, despite the often even greater complexity of biologiocal systems* we are often told that only unintelligent processes can be considered as "scientific explanations" for the origin of these structures.
We live in a 'shooting gallery' for comets and asteroids, the outer planets and the moon protect us quite well.
This is akin to saying "the planets and moon are there to protect us" but this 'cause and effect' reasoning can be completely turned around to suggest that we are here because the planets and moon protect us".
could the watchtower and the jehovah's witnesses survive the discarding of their 1914 doctrine?
the doctrine that in 1914 the end of the gentile times took place, jesus took up rule in heaven.
for some reason the jws think the outbreak of world war i in 1914 is proof their prophetic calculations were correct.
Yes, I am fully aware that both sides of the Babylonian Gap debate advocate that Judah was partially populated during the Exilic period but the point is that scholars are at least talking about this crucial subject so the debate is moving, moving perhaps to the scriptural statement that the land was totally devasted without an inhabitant.
LOL... funny stuff. Scholarship indicating more strongly that the land was indeed partially populated means it is moving closer to saying that it was not??? Utterly rediculous.
could the watchtower and the jehovah's witnesses survive the discarding of their 1914 doctrine?
the doctrine that in 1914 the end of the gentile times took place, jesus took up rule in heaven.
for some reason the jws think the outbreak of world war i in 1914 is proof their prophetic calculations were correct.
The facts of modern history most certainly confirm with the outbreak of the Great War in 1914 that this marked the end of the Gentile Times and the birth of God's Kingdom as foretold by our Lord. The events that soon followed marked the Lord's presence as set forth in His Olivet Discourse.
It is unclear how a war beginning in June 1914 is proof of an event that was to suddenly occur without warning in October of that year. And as usual you provide absolutely no refutation or demonstration to back up your points.
The original language at Like 21;24 certainly shows that the Gentile Times has already commenced and were in a present state with a future fulfillment.
No, they simply do not. The Gentile Times had not begun at Jesus' time any more than the the other events in the same verse employing the word esomai, and it is simply ignorance to suggest otherwise.
could the watchtower and the jehovah's witnesses survive the discarding of their 1914 doctrine?
the doctrine that in 1914 the end of the gentile times took place, jesus took up rule in heaven.
for some reason the jws think the outbreak of world war i in 1914 is proof their prophetic calculations were correct.
Frankly, I do not care whether readers of my posts are interested or not in what I have to say on matters. I have simply raised issues that are at the embryonic stage within scholarship that confirm the fact that chronology is in state of flux and is moving in the direction of abandoning current and long held views. What these developments prove is that there chronology is all about methodology and interpretation and that our divine chronology is a valid chronology based on secular-historical and biblical evidence.
You didn't simply say that scholarship is "moving in the direction of abandoning current and long held views", but in addition contended that it is moving toward 607 as "the only possible date", and it is this statement that is nothing but a lie.
Celebrated WT scholars have not instructed or forbidden me to post on this website as this group is fully occupied in researching and promoting God's Word. They are happy to leave little old scholar alone to do his little bit and get up the nose of apostates who tremble at scholar's research.
Only happy insofar as ignorance is bliss. If your elders knew you were here, I am quite positive that they would have something to say about it - unless they too are breaching the specific direction from the "slave class".
Jeremiah 25 is addressed to Judah but some of the oracles apply to those surrounding nations from verse 12 through to the next chapter. Therefore, such oracles had a ongoing fulfillment long after 539 as was the case with Babylon.
Your suggestion here requires completely ignoring the quite clear wording of verses 8 to 11 which clearly indicate the entire region, not just Judah. All readers of this forum can easily verify this for themselves and see your lies for what they are.
My comment on the Isaiah commentary does not conflict with my previous comment because you are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill whereupon this commentary merely confirms the fact that the seventy years involved servitude to ther dominant Babylon as one of the elements of the seventy year oracle. I have told you repeatedly that the seventy years involves the three elements of servitude-desolation-exile with such elements ending in unison at 537.
Repeating a lie over and over again does not make it any more true.
millions of complex objects (cameras, adjustable wrenches, etc.
) have been seen to come into existence under the direction/workmanship of intelligent designers.
however, despite the often even greater complexity of biologiocal systems* we are often told that only unintelligent processes can be considered as "scientific explanations" for the origin of these structures.
I am surprised that no-one has mentioned the anthropomorphic principle in this discussion.
It very basically boils down to 'we exist because the universe exists in the way it does'. Some say that the universe is deliberately fine-tuned because we are meant to exist, and the universe exists for us. However, it is more likely that we are here as a result of the way the universe happens to be, which is really behind the supposed magic of why the universe seems so finely tuned for our existence.
It is basically arrogance to say that the universe exists because of us (i.e. to allow for our existence) and not the other way around.
i disassociated myself from jws about 20 years ago so i'm a bit rusty on christian teaching.
the intersting thing though is i hadn't completely disassociated my mind from their teachings and it's only been recently that i've had true independent thought.
it's scary if you think about it.
If Jesus is in heaven in an extremely powerful position, all of which he knew would happen after his death, it's not really much of a 'sacrifice'.
If Jesus is alive at all, it isn't much of a 'ransom' either.
dec 25?.
oct 1?.
i have even heard some recent speculation on jesus possibly being born in march which is interesting.. october seems reasonable with the rational of "shepherds watched their flocks by night" and in the december months it would be too cold for them to be out?
october is the month of satan. he tricksies you to misleads you.
Sounds like someone's been watching Lord of the Rings. Is Satan as tricksy as Hobbitses?
i disassociated myself from jws about 20 years ago so i'm a bit rusty on christian teaching.
the intersting thing though is i hadn't completely disassociated my mind from their teachings and it's only been recently that i've had true independent thought.
it's scary if you think about it.
I think if there is a God he has to be a physco!
Or psycho even.
The notion of the ransom is actually quite primitive and ultimately steeped in mysticism with some 'modern' concepts of ceremony thrown in.
The bible is not even consistent on the concept of whether descendents should be punished for the sins of their forefathers. (Compare Exodus 34:7 with 2 Chronicles 25:4)
