Posts by Jeffro

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Watchtower purchases CoC copyright for undisclosed amount!

by the girl next door in

now what is your stance?

Jeffro

OrphanCrow:

Thirdly, an underlying principle that is part of the establishment of the copyright laws is such that the protection of ownership of "creative material" would stimulate more creative projects/endeavours. That is one of the primary purposes of copyright.
Fourthly, the publication of "fact" is not creative.

Your understanding of what constitutes "creative material" is incorrect. Though facts are not specifically subject to copyright, the manner in which facts are expressed are subject to copyright. Whether a work purports to be fictional or factual is irrelevant.

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Watchtower Web Domains

by Petraglyph in

jw
friends

i did some reverse domain lookups to see what web domains were linked to watchtower.

i did reverse lookups on the hostmaster address, building address, and phone number.

i've sorted and deduplicated the results.. bethelres.org.

Jeffro

Petraglyph:

jw2020.org <-- I wonder why they feel the need to do this?

The 2016 domain name indicates that these year-based domain names are for information about special conventions in the given year.

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Watchtower Web Domains

by Petraglyph in

jw
friends

i did some reverse domain lookups to see what web domains were linked to watchtower.

i did reverse lookups on the hostmaster address, building address, and phone number.

i've sorted and deduplicated the results.. bethelres.org.

Jeffro

LevelThePlayingField:

I have often wondered why they have mirrored other websites to go to their JW.Org site anyways. Like the ps8318 site.

ps8318 = Psalm 83:18. It's not particularly surprising that they have registered domain names based on some of their favourite Bible verses as redirects to their website or as placeholders for future sites. (Hence hag27, heb412, isa4310, lu2343, mr1310, mt1016, mt1130, mt2414, mt711, pr221-22, pr2711, pr418, ps8318, re213-4, zac823.)

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Did Jesus attend a "worldly celebration"?

by Westenddave in

hello community,.

my question in a nutshell is whether there is justification in celebrating worldly holidays, such as the 4th of july in the usa?.

let's look at a parallel.

Jeffro

Diogenesister:

Jeffro is this why the Jews don't consider Daniel a prophet and actually its said these are "writings" or stories ( historians say pure fantasy and not historical) because the Maccabees were not god approved as such? Just wondered. It certainly seems that the Millerites and end time lot like the JWs are the only ones who set any great store in Daniel, is this not so? Do let me know if anyone knows anything please?

There is broad consensus among scholars that the book of Daniel was written by anonymous authors in the middle of the 2nd century BCE, and there are no references to it earlier than that period. The Jews considered the prophetic canon to be closed by the beginning of the 2nd century BCE. The first six chapters appear to be adapted from older folk tales, and as explained in the article I linked, re-worked to fit the theme of banning and subsequent restoration of Jewish worship under Antiochus IV. Chapters 2-6 were not even originally written in the same language as the rest of the book. Chapter 4 doesn't even claim to be written by 'Daniel', but is instead supposedly narrated by Nebuchadnezzar (but it borrows from an older tale about Nabonidus).

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The power of elders gets eroded further

by bats in the belfry in

for instance:.

once the elders have determined that the bible student qualifies to engage in the field ministry, he is eligible to receive his own copy of organized to do jehovahs will.. 2015 organized to do jehovahs will, page 71. .

now online for everyone - without interogation..

Jeffro

bats in the belfry:

Do I have to login to get that question asked? . . . I am not a member - is that for membership personnel only?
Jeffro, one way of circumventing their foolproof protection system:

No, it was sarcasm. Anyone can just click "Download".

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The power of elders gets eroded further

by bats in the belfry in

for instance:.

once the elders have determined that the bible student qualifies to engage in the field ministry, he is eligible to receive his own copy of organized to do jehovahs will.. 2015 organized to do jehovahs will, page 71. .

now online for everyone - without interogation..

Jeffro

But how will you ever get past their foolproof protection system?

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Did Jesus attend a "worldly celebration"?

by Westenddave in

hello community,.

my question in a nutshell is whether there is justification in celebrating worldly holidays, such as the 4th of july in the usa?.

let's look at a parallel.

Jeffro

The JW response to this would be that irrespective of whether the Maccabees had God's approval, the celebration commemorated the restoration of Jewish worship at the temple in Jerusalem. They would argue that there is a distinction from other 'national holidays' because of their view that 'Christians' (by which they mean 'only JWs') are 'no part of the world' and are not 'really' citizens of 'other' nations ("lands"?), whereas the Jews were supposedly 'God's chosen nation'. They would further add that Jesus had not yet instituted the replacement of the Jewish passover at the time that he attended the Jewish festivals. (That said, the response from many JWs would probably be more like, "um... I don't know... ah... I'll have to do some research and get back to you.")

JWs (and other Protestants) do minimise the significance of the history leading up to the Hanukkah celebration, which is actually the entire theme of the book of Daniel. This is largely so that the book of Daniel can instead by misapplied to Jesus and subsequent end-times beliefs.

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Were Adam and Eve the only humans created?

by heyfea in

my husband asked me a questions that kind of stumped me for a moment.

he asked, in genesis, when cain killed abel, and god, as punishment cursed him and drove him from the land, making him a restless wanderer, why did cain say to god that the punishment was too hard; that anyone who found him would kill him?

who was going to kill him?

Jeffro

It's a primitive creation myth. Best not to overthink it.

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1914—The Turning Point in History - Really?

by berrygerry in

1914the turning point in history.

30 from the human standpoint, the world troubles and global wars foretold in the bible were far from the thinking of the pre-1914 world.

german statesman konrad adenauer said: thoughts and pictures come to my mind, .

Jeffro

JW literature has discussed lots of wars. Below are the wars that are featured in their Watch Tower Indexes (there are separate Index sections dedicated to World War I & II), but there's plenty of others that are just mentioned in various articles. But the Balkan wars (1912-1913) and other issues in Europe that led up to World War I are completely ignored by the Watch Tower Society. Causes of World War I, First Balkan War, Second Balkan War.

*** dx86-14 War ***
American Civil War (1861-1865): g95 5/8 13-14
cigarettes: g86 4/8 5
American War of Independence (1775-1783):
Boston Tea Party: g89 9/8 19
Boer War: g86 1/22 20
Caste War (Maya against Spaniards) (1847-1853): w08 12/1 14
Crimean War (1853-1856):
cigarettes: g86 4/8 4
religious factors: w90 12/15 3, 5
English Civil War (Puritan Revolution): g89 9/8 27
Korean War (1950-1953): g 12/08 13; yb88 161-166; g87 5/22 13
experience of captives: w12 12/1 12-13
Opium Wars (1839-1842; 1856-1860): re 263; g89 9/8 19; g88 12/8 6
Christendom’s missionaries back Britain: re 263
Punic Wars (Rome vs. Carthage): g 4/09 18; g01 11/8 16-18
Spanish Civil War (1936-1939):
religious incitement: re 207-208, 262; g90 3/8 7-9
Thirty Years’ War (1618-1648):
coins minted having divine name: w95 5/15 32
Peace of Westphalia (1648): w04 3/15 20-23
pipe smoking: g86 4/8 4
religious motivation: gm 33-34

*** dx30-85 War ***
American Revolution: g76 7/8 3-4; g71 5/22 13-14; w62 717; g38 4/20 18; g37 10/6 6
Armageddon: w85 1/1 3-7; w85 1/15 3-7; w85 2/1 3-7; w85 2/15 5-7; su 18-20; w83 11/1 3-7; g74 11/8 7-8; w73 296-297; w71 623-624; kj 363-368, 372-373, 376-377; w66 726-728, 730; w64 624-628; pw 9-19; g64 5/22 7; w61 718, 724-727; g61 11/22 15; pa 204-210; w55 435-436; sr55 337-343; w51 615-616; lt-2-30 55-57
Boer War: w85 8/1 6; w85 11/1 10
Eighty Years’ War: g72 9/22 21-25
Maori wars: w79 9/15 8-9
Napoleonic: qm 295; qm55 295; g54 12/22 10-11; g47 9/8 4, 6; ta 316
Opium War: g75 5/8 9-12
Peasants’ War in Germany (1524): g79 9/8 7
Taiping Rebellion (China): g82 3/22 7
Third Punic War officially ended: g85 5/8 29
Thirty Years’ War: w82 1/1 4; g72 4/22 13; g71 6/22 16-19; qm 295; g66 7/22 17-20; g65 4/22 5; qm55 295; g52 7/8 20; g47 9/8 4, 8; ta 316, 319; g43 2/3 19-21; g40 9/4 9
U.S. Civil War: g61 12/8 19; g47 9/8 4; g43 1/6 26

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Why do most Christians churches have masonic and/or pagan symbols?

by kabwell in

has anyone looked at the local churches in their area and seen pagan and freemason symbols both inside and outside.

i am not a jw but at least they don't seem to follow this trend.

why do "christians" wear a symbol of torture and death ?

Jeffro

kabwell:

But I do see the jws as well as other cults closer to the teachings in the NT then most of the protestant and catholic sects

Hang on... you don't know that JWs are a "protestant sect"??

Protestantism --> Adventism --> Bible Student movement --> Jehovah's Witnesses.

Know your subject!!