Posts by Jeffro

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Is this how people will be microchipped soon?

by Kosonen in

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i found an article at zerohedge explaining how a state sponsored microchip will be redy for use in the spring for detecting corona virus infections before people feel symptoms.. the article expect that majority of the people will line up to take it.. i think this will become the mark of the beast revelation 13 speaks about.. hereis the article: .

https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/microchipd-darpa-biochip-save-us-covid-can-control-human-dna.

Jeffro

Kosonen:

I think this will become the mark of the beast Revelation 13 speaks about.

No. Just no.

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"JW Box" $30 Logo Markup Scam!!!! Huge!!!

by thedepressedsoul in

so get this, wt has something they're calling a "jw box" that gives people in africa "spiritual food".

the best part, they want donations of $75 for it!

so they don't provide any physical food to people in africa but they can send them "spiritual food" for $75.

Jeffro

joe134cd:

I’m sorry but I can’t seem to find where they are asking for $75.

Seriously?? The JW web page about it says, "Each box costs approximately $75 U.S.". It is the last sentence of the third paragraph. But if your angle is that they aren't explicitly asking for that amount, it should be obvious that the culture of JWs implies that the suggested donation should be made to 'defray the costs'. The article 'suggests' at the end, "How are the costs of this arrangement covered? By donations to the worldwide work, many of which are made via donate.jw.org. Thank you for your generous support."

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Worldwide preaching campaign targeting government officials.

by smiddy3 in

does anybody know what this message will contain ?

is it designed to provoke a response that will bring persecution on the religion ?

or is it just going to be some meaningless weak campaign to get the rank and file all excited about it and achieving nothing.. or is it going to suggest to the government officials that this mob could very well be the next jonestown /wacol incident and we need to act now.

Jeffro

LongHairGal:

They must see themselves as the modern day equivalent of Moses going to see Pharaoh.

Indeed. And "modern day" is right, because they don't use the word 'antitypical' as much now , even though they really still think about in the same sense.

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Worldwide preaching campaign targeting government officials.

by smiddy3 in

does anybody know what this message will contain ?

is it designed to provoke a response that will bring persecution on the religion ?

or is it just going to be some meaningless weak campaign to get the rank and file all excited about it and achieving nothing.. or is it going to suggest to the government officials that this mob could very well be the next jonestown /wacol incident and we need to act now.

Jeffro

As usual their ‘special campaign’ is kind of trite. It’s really just keeping the members (though not actually ‘members’ according to the updated ’Shepherd’ book) busy giving out extra copies of The Watchtower. ‘Government officials’ won’t be the least bit interested in the ‘message’ from the not-the-locusts-anymore. After the dramatic statement that it’s “time to take action”, their proposed ‘action’ is to wait an undefined amount of time until their imaginary friend kills almost everyone.

It’s possible their intent is to get governments to increase their opposition to the extremist views of Jehovah’s Witnesses, except their endtimes scenario (e.g. initial destruction of all religions except Jehovah’s Witnesses) is so unrealistic that it will be mostly just brushed off as nonsense, and most democratic countries give a lot of latitude for people having whatever crackpot religious views they like.

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1919 2013 2020 and the Slave

by Jerryh in

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i was never a jw but i lurk in this forum occasionally, trying to rescue some family.

i will spare you those details.. jw.org and jwfacts are there with youtubes out the wazoo but i would appreciate your thought on this.. i know there are contradictions plenty but this is foundational, blatant and current.

i know they typically just blow off.

Jeffro

Jerryh, in 2013 they moved the first ‘inspection’ from 1918 (arrest of watch tower executives) to 1919 (their release). And they moved the ‘appointment’ of the ‘slave’ from Pentecost to 1919.

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How Often is 1914 Openly Spoken of at the Meetings?

by Number 6 in

as someone who left in 1991 aged 21, one of my overriding memories of growing up in the watchtower was being able to "prove" the end times by referencing 1914.. major change in 95 then again after that.

if i'm being honest i could not even tell you now what the current teaching is.. for those who still attend the meetings, is it still openly spoken about?

i genuinely curious as i wonder if the teaching will be altogher dropped eventually, and one of the easiest ways to achieve that is to stop speaking about it.

Jeffro

jwleaks, something is wrong with your search if you’re not getting anything with 1914 in the last 5 years. E. g., Watchtower Public Edition 2020 No. 2 pp. 8-10, found on current online watchtower library.

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How Often is 1914 Openly Spoken of at the Meetings?

by Number 6 in

as someone who left in 1991 aged 21, one of my overriding memories of growing up in the watchtower was being able to "prove" the end times by referencing 1914.. major change in 95 then again after that.

if i'm being honest i could not even tell you now what the current teaching is.. for those who still attend the meetings, is it still openly spoken about?

i genuinely curious as i wonder if the teaching will be altogher dropped eventually, and one of the easiest ways to achieve that is to stop speaking about it.

Jeffro

They can’t maintain their beliefs about 1919 without retaining 1914 so they’re a bit stuck. It really is pathetic.

But they likely rarely mention it, and they are much less likely to mention October 1914 because the war has already started and something was supposed to happen suddenly in or after October (and Russell didn’t say anything at all about ‘Satan being thrown to earth’ because he believed the ‘dragon’ referred to pagan nations.)

Apart from the vague notion about the ‘end of the gentle times’ (an Adventist teaching), nothing that Jehovah’s Witnesses now believe about 1914 was taught by C T Russell or even when they were supposedly ‘selected’ in 1919.

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New JW article - Help children deal with disturbing news reports

by Listener in

the watchtower has the audacity to think it is some authority on the matter of telling parents how to deal with news reports that may disturb them, when for decades it has been promoting a horrific destruction of 99% of people currently living on earth, including detailed pictures in their own 'news reports'.. why would people print disturbing news reports?

one reason that they provide specifically relates to themselves as well.

children may have trouble putting the news in perspective.

Jeffro

'Don't worry, Billy. God will kill them all soon anyway.'

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November WT study article

by Gorbatchov in

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in one of the study articles from the november 2020 edition, is mentioned (free quotation):.

"don"t get disturbed if your kingdom hall will be sold".

food on the right time, i asume?.

Jeffro

joe134cd

Slim I think the mags are compiled some months in advance before they are produced

JW members receive the magazines a few months before the stated issue date, and the articles are compiled a few months before that. So as far as reporting current events, it isn't really the well-oiled machine of efficiency they would have everyone believe. In addition to that, the Watch Tower Society in recent decades seems to have deliberately avoided making statements about immediately current events, instead waiting to see how they can spin them.

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Another Doctrinal Flip-Flop As Of Oct 2019 - RE: Locusts In Joel 2

by pale.emperor in

it's seems that even the revised edition of the book revelation: it's grand climax a hand was wrong again.. in the 2019 agm david splane "clarified our understanding of the prophecy recorded in joel 2".

clarified?

you mean he done a 180 reversal.. from revelation: it's grand climax a hand page 143, para.

Jeffro

According to The Finished Mystery (aka Studies in the Scriptures, volume VII) the 'locusts' were Methodists, starting with John Wesley in 1728. Of course, there's no mention of that in any modern Watch Tower Society literature at all.