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  Jehovah Witness cult is Anti-christ.... proof seen in the use of BCE/CE instead of AD/BC

  by goingthruthemotions in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so being around this cult, i always found it interesting that the rest of christianity use ad/bc and the non christians use bce/ce.

  i never put two and two together.

  but, it dawned on me that once again there is hidden proof that the witness cult is and anti-christ cult.

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  Jeffro

  Awake!, March 2009, page 30:

  From Our Readers
  

  Ancient Manuscripts—How Are They Dated? (February 2008) This article upset me. It is my understanding that C.E. stands for “Common Era” and B.C.E. stands for “Before the Common Era.” In all of my 70 years, I have seen the terms B.C. and A.D. used as a time reference, referring to before and after the birth of Jesus. It seems to me that using B.C.E. or C.E. somehow denies the birth of Jesus.
  R. W., United States

  “Awake!” responds: Although A.D. (Anno Domini, meaning “in the year of our Lord”) and B.C. (before Christ) are used in lands where professed Christianity predominates, we have chosen to use the terms C.E. (Common Era) and B.C.E. (Before the Common Era). Why? First, there is considerable evidence pointing to the year 2 B.C.E. as the date of Jesus’ birth. Second, the literature printed by Jehovah’s Witnesses is widely distributed in languages read by many non-Christians. Third, the title “Christ” means “Anointed One.” Jesus became the Messiah, or Christ, when he was anointed with God’s spirit at the time he was baptized in 29 C.E. (Matthew 3:13-17) Thus, Jesus was not born Christ; he became Christ the year of his baptism. Significantly, the descriptions C.E. and B.C.E. are growing in usage, and they appear in almost all modern dictionaries and in many scholarly works. Please be assured that Jehovah’s Witnesses consider Jesus and his sacrifice indispensable to the outworking of God’s purposes and our personal salvation.
  

  There is no 'anti-Christ' intent in their usage. However, their assertion that Jesus was born in 2 BCE is incorrect. Though there is little evidence for almost all claims made about Jesus, he was most likely born in or prior to 4 BCE, baptised in about 26 CE and executed in 30 CE. The discrepancy is a result of their superstitious numerological misinterpretations of Daniel chapter 9.
  
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  "John Doe wants to be your friend" (Facebook) He died 2 1/2 years ago!

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. social
  2. current

  i just joined a few days ago and the topic is true.

  john (not his real name) is my wife's nephew and got killed in a road accident 2 1/2 years ago.. i've therefore come to the conclusion that most folks wanting me to be their friend are simply a computer algorithm, that my feeling bad by not answering their plea would hurt their feelings and risk our friendship, is not founded on reality.. on another topic, one question that i have is: if i search for a person on facebook does that person somehow learn that i did a search for him?.

  my son, who is a facebook expert, of sorts, says no.. what say you?.

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  Jeffro

  If you received a friend request, then it is a specific account holder that sent the request, though the account could be a fraudulent copy of an account, or a bot-controlled account, or another person has taken over the person's account.
  

  However, if it was just a friend recommendation ('people you might know') it would only require that the account is still active (i.e. not closed or memorialised) for the algorithm to suggest the friendship based on whatever criteria Facebook uses.

  No, the other person would not be notified that you searched for that person, though it is possible that Facebook might flag it as a factor for suggesting that the person may know you.
  
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  Cain and Abel...Who recorded this tragic event?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  3 the day came when cain brought a gift of the fruit of the ground to the lord.

  4 but abel brought a gift of the first-born of his flocks and of the fat parts.

  the lord showed favor to abel and his gift.

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  You know these are fictitious tropes in an origin myth, right?
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  Phone witnessing and the Year Book

  by Diogenesister in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when the “year book” is published online next year, and the number of new baptisms is roughly the same as it always is, how are they going to deny that their new “converts” are nothing more than born-in kids of witnesses or already “captive” family and friends?.

  the “billions” of hours of service are at best pointless and ineffective and at worse often fabricated.. what say you?.

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  JW Yearbooks were discontinued after 2016. It will be interesting, though, to see whether the numbers bounce back from the 2020 reports influenced by COVID-19.
  
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  Havent gone to the kingdom hall in ten years but may have to go back...

  by Joliette in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  made a big mistake of talking about being raised as a jehovah's witness to some old friends and family.

  people have told me that i am still a jws even though i've never been baptized.

  i'm in school for social services, dealing with student loan debt, and a lot of other debt.

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  Joliette:

  You guys are missing the point. If something ends up happening to me who is going to help me?

  Seriously? People have suggested finding another group, whether it's religious or secular. You're just not listening (or you just want the attention?). You think people in other groups won't be there for you, but there's no guarantee that JWs will be there for you either. And what kind of relationship is it if you're only associating with them just to take advantage of them if times get tough?? And why would you only be expecting 'exjws' to help you?
  

  I know the government is a part of the world but you guys get what I mean.

  Let go of this 'part of the world' nonsense. The 'government' is only as much 'a part of the world' as JWs are 'part of the world'. It's just the one 'world'. Let go of the false dichotomy.
  
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  Havent gone to the kingdom hall in ten years but may have to go back...

  by Joliette in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  made a big mistake of talking about being raised as a jehovah's witness to some old friends and family.

  people have told me that i am still a jws even though i've never been baptized.

  i'm in school for social services, dealing with student loan debt, and a lot of other debt.

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  Jeffro

  Joliette, you have created a false dichotomy in your head about 'JWs' versus 'the world'. In reality, JWs are just another religious denomination. If you don't agree with the beliefs and/or demands of that denomination but still have religious beliefs, there are plenty of other religious denominations in the US where you would find a support network without the pressures of the JWs. If you are not really religious but just want the support network, try looking for a local atheist group, or just a group centered around something else you enjoy doing.

  However, none of those groups are going to help you with your financial issues. Make a budget. Cut non-essential costs and prioritise paying off essential utilities and loans with the highest interest rate.
  
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  Is Watch Tower still the most popular?

  by Ardian in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  as per report generated by ttt (tingtopten.com) watchtower is the most popular magazine in the world.

  is it still the most popular magazine among readers?.

  source: https://tingtopten.com/2020/01/top-10-most-popular-magazines-in-the-world/.

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  Jeffro

  'Most widely distributed' doesn't really mean 'most popular'. Something given away for free to anyone polite enough to take a copy can't validly be compared with magazines that people intentionally purchase. Additionally, 'real' magazines are often hundreds of pages in length with each issue, whereas JW magazines are essentially four sheets of paper folded over.

  A tabloidish 'top 10' website isn't really a particularly good source for assessing popularity of pretty much anything, let alone JW magazines.
  
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  Identity of the GB - Maths Virus Part 2

  by Anna Marina in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the identity of the governing body – maths virus 2.

  here is my latest video..

  https://youtu.be/ooxgjbc2d54.

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  Jeffro

  Your interpretation of Jehoiakim’s 3rd and 4th years is (still) incorrect and indicates some ignorance of the different dating systems used (but is closer than the Watch Tower Society’s interpretation). The rhetorical suggestion that ‘Maybe Nebuchadnezzar was crowned in April” in particular indicates some ignorance of the actual history of the period. Daniel doesn’t count accession years as part of the reign and uses Nisan-based years. 2 Kings uses Tishri-based years for Judah, Nisan-based years for Babylon, and counts accession years as the first regnal year. (This is why you’re generating some additional invented confusion regarding 624 and 625, setting aside their displacement by 20 years.)

  The JW interpretation of Daniel 2:1 deliberately uses the word “kingship” instead of “reign” to try to imply that it means ‘vassalage’ though this has no basis in the original text. They do not claim Daniel was taken to Babylon the year before that. (They place the interpretation of the dream several years after Daniel’s training, ignoring the fact that Daniel and his friends were supposedly known as the wisest in the land after their training but then Nebuchadnezzar has never even heard of Daniel when he wants his dream interpreted. In the story, Daniel actually interprets the dream during the training period.) It is good that you point out their mangling of the period. But it isn’t an outstanding revelation that Nebuchadnezzar’s 19th year is the same year according to the made up JW method of counting ‘kingship’ from 607.

  Your mispronunciation of ‘vassalage’ is a little distracting. The ‘-age’ in’ vassalage’ is properly pronounced the same way as in ‘marriage’.
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  New JW study book / method announced on JW Broadcast

  by Funky in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so did anyone catch the january jw broadcast?.

  it's the "spiritual content" of what would have been introduced in the october annual meeting, had the october annual meeting taken place.. morris, splane, and jackson introduce a new jw study publication: "live forever eternally - an interactive guide".. details were sparse, but apparently it is a 256 page book (when in actual printed form), primarily designed to be used in its electronic form, stuffed with links to videos.. it is designed to be "just one book" to be studied prior to baptism, where "all 60 questions that baptism candidates have to know" are found in just one place.. the purported reason is to make jw "bible" studies more "productive", i.e., lead to more baptisms.. splane brought out the governing body's "great concern" that 10 million+ "bible" studies are conducted by jws every year, but the number of baptisms has been stuck at 200,000 - 300,000 per year for decades.

  so the thinking is, this new book + a "new method of conducting studies" (again, no real detail, but apparently it involves more "discussion" and less "question and answer").. want to know my thoughts?

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  Jeffro

  Funky:

  Splane brought out the governing body's "great concern" that 10 million+ "Bible" studies are conducted by JWs every year, but the number of baptisms has been stuck at 200,000 - 300,000 per year for decades

  A substantial number of these 'studies' are JW parents 'studying' with their own children.
  
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  Will JWs get DFed if they are caught with old JW publications?

  by mickbobcat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was told that if a jw now gets caught reading or with old jw literature they can get dfed.

  i doubt this is true but wanted to know for sure.

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  Short answer is No. Though if someone were seen to be promoting old teachings, then they might be.