LV101:
SDA's have been leading the pack for few yrs. now.
More than a few. The memberships were similar until something happened to the JW membership around 1975. I wonder what that could have been? 😂
Posts by Jeffro
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48JWs are bigger and more successful than the Mormon church
by joe134cd injust saw the following you tube video.
it’s 3 hours long, but thoroughly interesting.
if you want to save yourself 3 hours, basically the active mormon church is about 3 million.
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Jeffro
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JWs are bigger and more successful than the Mormon church
by joe134cd injust saw the following you tube video.
it’s 3 hours long, but thoroughly interesting.
if you want to save yourself 3 hours, basically the active mormon church is about 3 million.
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Jeffro
Slimboyfat:
Even with that, JW Memorial attendance is similar to Adventist membership numbers at around the 20 million mark, which may be a fairer comparison than the stricter JW “publisher” count.
JW memorial attendance includes people who go along to be polite, to avoid being shunned, or to otherwise keep the peace, so I’m not sure it’s necessarily a great comparison with the ostensibly similar figures for SDAs, where the 20 million refers to baptised members.
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JWs are bigger and more successful than the Mormon church
by joe134cd injust saw the following you tube video.
it’s 3 hours long, but thoroughly interesting.
if you want to save yourself 3 hours, basically the active mormon church is about 3 million.
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Jeffro
And JWs are significantly smaller than Seventh day Adventists
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New Approach to Discussing Deity of Christ with JW's
by Sea Breeze in5:27; 9:59; 18:22; jn.
9:48; [21:8]; 24:47; jn.
21:12, 17;] jn.
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Jeffro
Scholarly consensus around the life of Jesus is fairly thin, and the only strong scholarly agreement is that he was baptised by John, was an itinerant preacher of some description, and was executed by the Romans. There is no broad scholarly agreement for the 'resurrection' or any other of the anecdotes about Jesus in the 'gospels'.
Proponents of stories about Jesus (and other biblical tales) like to cite things like 'the criterion of embarrassment' - the idea that stories that include negative details are more likely to be true because invented stories would (supposedly) paint characters in the best possible light. However, this fails because it is readily apparent that a writer could include such details in their stories for exactly that reason.
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New Approach to Discussing Deity of Christ with JW's
by Sea Breeze in5:27; 9:59; 18:22; jn.
9:48; [21:8]; 24:47; jn.
21:12, 17;] jn.
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Jeffro
There's little reason to believe that Jesus said anything attributed to him in the 'gospels', which appeared a generation after his death. In Paul's writings, he seems to know almost nothing about Jesus apart from the 'ransom', almost as though most details about Jesus' life were made up later. -
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New Approach to Discussing Deity of Christ with JW's
by Sea Breeze in5:27; 9:59; 18:22; jn.
9:48; [21:8]; 24:47; jn.
21:12, 17;] jn.
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Jeffro
Maybe start with the 'holy spirit'...
JW: The holy spirit is God's active force, his power in action.
Non-JW: Would Jews and early Christians know about God's power?
JW: Of course!
Non-JW: [Acts 19:2]
JW: Oh... um....
Non-JW: Paul also said that the holy spirit isn't the same thing as God's power: [2 Corinthians 6:6, 7]
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New Approach to Discussing Deity of Christ with JW's
by Sea Breeze in5:27; 9:59; 18:22; jn.
9:48; [21:8]; 24:47; jn.
21:12, 17;] jn.
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Jeffro
Or a delusion of grandeur. But I’m guessing that isn’t a viable alternative for JWs either.
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Why wasn’t O’Donnell charged with receiving stolen goods.
by joe134cd infirstly i appreciate the work mark o’donnell does for the xjw community.
no doubt this has also been discussed numerous times before.
but with regard to those documents that were illegally stolen in that vice documentary.
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Jeffro
the old elder's manual (I think these were published in the 70s and 80s) only had a publisher and no copyright notice (this was when copyright still had to be established by sending a copy into the LOC)
The original 1977 version gives publisher information but not a copyright notice (for the reason given), however they acknowledged that they published it. The 1991 version also includes the copyright mark.
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Why wasn’t O’Donnell charged with receiving stolen goods.
by joe134cd infirstly i appreciate the work mark o’donnell does for the xjw community.
no doubt this has also been discussed numerous times before.
but with regard to those documents that were illegally stolen in that vice documentary.
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Jeffro
Anony Mous:
Using copyrightable material in a lawsuit is fair use. Requesting those legal documents for any reason, even if you want to sell the result, is also fair use and is required to be allowed by law.
You are referring to a court using materials or a third party making derivative works from such sources. The court may have an exemption to copyright to provide the entire work (or it may be reduced or redacted). However, the sources themselves do not fall into the public domain and a third party can’t just re-publish the entire source (not a derivative work) and sell it.
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Why wasn’t O’Donnell charged with receiving stolen goods.
by joe134cd infirstly i appreciate the work mark o’donnell does for the xjw community.
no doubt this has also been discussed numerous times before.
but with regard to those documents that were illegally stolen in that vice documentary.
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Jeffro
The earlier Pay Attention elders’ manual also has a publisher notice.