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  Babylon the Great and the last Pope

  by mikeflood in

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  what do you guys think of the evangelicals theory about babylon the great and the last pope...just starting this big book out of curiosity...like 500 pages...it seems there is a lot of different thinking from the borg.

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  Jeffro

  'Babylon the Great' was actually first-century Rome.

  Hope you didn't pay for the book.
  
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  Is the WT right that the Lamb's marriage is after Armageddon?

  by Kosonen in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the wt org claims that the lamb's marriage will happen after armageddon, despite the fact that revelation 19 very clearly says that the lamb's marriage happens after the destruction of babylon the great.

  and that after the lamb's marriage he with heavenly armies will go to destroy the wicked.. the wt claims that the order of events in revelation 19 is not really in that order referring to psalm 45. but i can't find in psalm 45 any explicit contradiction to revelation 19. .

  paragraph 10 in the following article shows the wt org's view point:.

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  Jeffro

  Kosenen:

  By the way, the WT has also completely misunderstood what Babylon the Great represents. You are welcome to visit my website where I try to explain these things.

  As have you. 🤦‍♂️
  
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  faithful and discreet slave appointed in 1919?

  by enoughisenough in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  12 when did jesus appoint the faithful slave over his domestics?

  to answer that, we need to go back to 1914​—the beginning of the harvest season.

  as we learned earlier, at that time many groups claimed to be christian.

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  Disillusioned JW:

  I merely made a correct statement. Perhaps you are the one who manifested confirmation bias when you incorrectly implied that I had manifested confirmation bias. It appears that you read into post more than what I stated in my post.

  Ho hum... 🙄 I also made correct statements. I did not say that you had necessarily ascribed anything special, but I correctly pointed out that to do so would be fallacious.
  
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  faithful and discreet slave appointed in 1919?

  by enoughisenough in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  12 when did jesus appoint the faithful slave over his domestics?

  to answer that, we need to go back to 1914​—the beginning of the harvest season.

  as we learned earlier, at that time many groups claimed to be christian.

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  Disillusioned JW:

  Hey Jeffro, regarding their 1919 teaching of "The ‘Jews to be restored to their homeland’ is literal' is something they got right

  They didn’t ‘get it right’ due to any special knowledge, nor due to anything magical about the Jews or the source material. Jews and Christians both had a vested interested in working towards ‘restoring the Jews to their homeland’, which is therefore unremarkable. Ascribing anything special to the Bible Student belief is an example of confirmation bias.
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  faithful and discreet slave appointed in 1919?

  by enoughisenough in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  12 when did jesus appoint the faithful slave over his domestics?

  to answer that, we need to go back to 1914​—the beginning of the harvest season.

  as we learned earlier, at that time many groups claimed to be christian.

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  Jeffro

  They were pleased with a small band of loyal Bible Students who showed that their heart was with Jehovah and his Word.

  Why exactly would 'Jesus and his Father' be 'pleased' with this particular minor Adventist denomination that was basically indistinguishable from similar Adventist sects? In 1919 when supposedly 'selected', the 'Bible Students' taught that:

  • Jesus was made king in 1878
  • The archangel Michael is the Pope
  • ‘Sleeping saints’ were resurrected to heaven in 1878
  • Russell was the ‘faithful and wise servant’
  • The Great Pyramid of Giza confirms biblical chronology
  • Christmas should be celebrated
  • The ‘time of the end’ began in 1799
  • The ‘Jews to be restored to their homeland’ is literal
  • The ‘great company’ (great crowd) has a heavenly hope
  • Christ’s presence began in 1874
  • Jesus died on a cross
  • Jerusalem was destroyed in 606 BCE
  • Congregation discipline should be determined by the whole congregation
  • The prohibition on eating blood is only a “suggestion” to gentile Christians
  • Birthdays should be celebrated
  • ‘This generation’ refers to those alive during 1914
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  What other alternatives for the meaning of Babylon the Great ?

  by enoughisenough in

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  2. beliefs

  i thought the reasoning sound as to the wt explaination of babylon the great, ( world empire of false religion ) but have any of you knowledge of other plausible explainations?

  or knowledge of other sources that are in agreement with wt?

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  Jeffro

  🤦‍♂️
  
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  What other alternatives for the meaning of Babylon the Great ?

  by enoughisenough in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i thought the reasoning sound as to the wt explaination of babylon the great, ( world empire of false religion ) but have any of you knowledge of other plausible explainations?

  or knowledge of other sources that are in agreement with wt?

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  Jeffro

  'Babylon the Great' as used in Revelation was Rome, that is ancient Rome during the first (and early second) century. The Roman Empire, administered from the city of Rome, ruled over its various client kingdoms, one of which was Judea, each with its own king. The Greek word used for "kings" (basileus, βασιλεύς, Strong’s G935) at Revelation 17:2 is the same word for "king" (Herod) at Matthew 2:3 and Mark 6:14. Revelation 17:18 quite accurately describes “Babylon the Great” (that is, Rome) as a city with a kingdom over other kings. (Hence, the JW 'reasoning' that 'Babylon the Great cannot be a political power because it engages with other kings' is an obvious lie.)
  

  Other attempts at saying "Babylon the Great" represents anything else are simply attempting to make it sound relevant, almost always to generate interest in a particular religious denomination.
  
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  Do you believe that this life is all there is

  by Fisherman in

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  2. beliefs

  the bible records resurrections and there is orher evidence besides that gives hope.

  what do you think, is there enough evidence to believe in another life?.

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  jwundubbed:

  I have some science in my beliefs. Energy doesn't die, it just changes form. Our consciousness is energy making connections in our brains. That energy doesn't die, it just changes form. We don't have to know what that form is to know that this is a foundational scientific truth and to trust in that truth. If the energy changes form, then who we are exists in a different form.

  Using words like 'energy' does not make superstitions about an afterlife 'scientific'. The conclusion that 'who we are exists in a different form' on the basis that 'the energy changes form' is not at all scientific. The fact that a quantity of energy has at some point allowed an organism to be conscious does not impart any property of that consciousness to the energy. You may as well be suggesting that a potato goes on being a potato long after it has been eaten because its energy was once a potato.
  
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  Do you believe that this life is all there is

  by Fisherman in

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  2. beliefs

  the bible records resurrections and there is orher evidence besides that gives hope.

  what do you think, is there enough evidence to believe in another life?.

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  Jeffro

  Fisherman:

  The Bible records resurrections

  Stories in the Bible are claims requiring evidence, not evidence of anything.

  Were all those people lying

  False dichotomy. They could have been lying, but they could also have just been wrong.

  and is the Bible a pack of lies?

  Fallacy of composition. The Bible isn’t either ‘all true’ or ‘all false’, and contains a variety of myth, poetry, superstition, and political & theological bias along with some historically accurate details.
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  My Prediction Regarding New Space Telescope That Will See Back to 100 Million Years From the Big Bang

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a new space telescope launched a few days age that will supposedly be able to see to within 100 million years of the big bang.

  wow... only 100 million years from the big bang.

  that is pretty early given the 12 billion year age of the universe assigned by scholars who adhere to naturalism.

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  Jeffro

  Sea Breeze:

  Big Bang Model:

  The secularist has limitless faith that Nothing Exploded into Everything...even though this has never been observed. Then, supposedly after billions of years gases slowly coalesced into stars and then after more deep time the galaxies slowly formed, then after more time super massive black holes emerged, etc.

  Strawman argument. Though the colloquial parlance is that the universe "exploded" at the 'big bang', the actual position is that everything was in a dense state that rapidly expanded. The big-bang model does not dictate what happened before that event, or that there was nothing before that, or whether 'before that' is even possible.