Fisherman:
Given the book of Revelation is from God, it is non sequitur that the BTG was Rome because Rome was not destroyed like BTG,
Nope. Begging the question. No reason whatsoever to preemptively grant that the book is magical.
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121Babylon the Great
by Godlyman indo jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?
inquiring minds want to know .
estephan.
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Babylon the Great
by Godlyman indo jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?
inquiring minds want to know .
estephan.
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Jeffro
Additionally, the 'woman' representing Jerusalem that fled to the 'wilderness' is later depicted in Revelation as the 'bride' and identified as both "Jerusalem" and "New Jerusalem" (Revelation 21:1-2, 9-10), and clearly is not the same as 'Babylon the Great', which was by that time meant to have been destroyed. -
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Babylon the Great
by Godlyman indo jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?
inquiring minds want to know .
estephan.
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Vanderhoven7:
The "Woman" of Revelation, who is the "Great City" that "reigns over the Kings of the Earth" can only be Jerusalem.
Entirely wrong. Despite all of the tedious cherry picking and wishy thinking, Babylon the Great definitely referred to 1st century Rome, 'a city with a kingdom over other kings' that 'sits on 7 hills'. Additionally, Jerusalem didn't have any remarkable status with the 'merchants'.There are two 'women' and two 'great cities' in Revelation. The 'great city'/'woman' in chapters 11 and 12 (Jerusalem, where Jesus was executed, and which purportedly 'gave birth' to the 'kingdom') parallels the other 'great city'/'woman' (Rome) in chapters 16-18. In the story, it was expected that retribution would be brought against the latter great city (Rome) after the destruction of Jerusalem (i.e. the 'great tribulation', which explicitly happens prior to Jesus' 'presence', whereas the destruction of 'Babylon the Great' was expected to happen after Jesus' 'presence' began).
Despite the intentional ambiguity of apocalyptic literature, this isn't really that complicated. It is essentially because the superstitions of 1st-century Christians were simply wrong that people are so desperate to make up alternatives.
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Babylon the Great
by Godlyman indo jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?
inquiring minds want to know .
estephan.
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Babylon the Great
by Godlyman indo jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?
inquiring minds want to know .
estephan.
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VH:
Major premise#1: Three times this Babylon is called “O great city” (Rev 18:9, 16, 19) Minor premise #1: “The great city” is “where also their Lord was crucified” (Rev 11:8) Conclusion: Jerusalem is Revelation’s Babylon
Premise rejected. Jerusalem did not (and does not) have ‘a kingdom over other kings’), which definitely refers to 1st century Rome. Nor is it necessary that there can only be 1 ‘great city’.
As your first premise is rejected, it is not necessary to continue.
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Babylon the Great
by Godlyman indo jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?
inquiring minds want to know .
estephan.
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Fisherman:
The identity of the Genesis serpent for example was interpreted by John in Revelation about 1600 years later. Not to mention the identity of the disgusting thing causing desolation spoken by Daniel in the Babylonian diaspora interpreted by Jesus circa 33CE and finally realizing in the Roman armies in 70CE, and the messianic prophecies realizing in Jesus
Reusing tropes from older stories and providing new interpretations isn’t the amazing feat you imagine it to be.
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Who raised Jesus from the dead?
by Blotty ini have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.
(bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.
galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.
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Blotty:
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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
by Godlyman inif anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
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‘scholar’:
The said scholar has nicely termed the three most significant prophetic dates in the Bible: 1914, 1918, and 1919 as an eschatological triennium. These dates are well established
So… not 1799, 1874 and 1878 😂 Or whatever future dates are selected that are just as ‘established’ 🤦♂️
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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
by Godlyman inif anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
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Jeffro
🤦♂️
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Babylon the Great
by Godlyman indo jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?
inquiring minds want to know .
estephan.
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Kosenen:
The WT misses the truth that the prophesied 1260 days/42 months/time, times and half a time must occur first. And the two prophets of Revelation 11 have to appear first and accomplish their mission during 3 and half years.
All of these periods, all equal to 3.5 years, were the period from the Jewish revolt in 66CE until Jerusalem’s destruction in 70CE. Christians expected various supernatural things to happen after that, within a generation of Jesus’ death. They were wrong, and nutters have been making up alternative interpretations ever since.