Posts by Jeffro

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Jeffro

In case there are any honest readers...

From Wikipedia:

Astronomical almanacs define the solstices as the moments when the Sun passes through the solstitial colure, i.e. the times when the apparent geocentric celestial longitude of the Sun is equal to 90° (June solstice) or 270° (December solstice).

Note that the position of the sun on the June solstice is 90°. Here are the details for the sun on 29 June 568 BCE, 29 June 588 BCE, and 9 July 588 BCE (using Cartes du Ciel, all observations from midday in Iraq). As can be seen, the position of the sun is only correct on 29 June for both years. Hence, as previously explained, the assertion that 9 Simanu 588 BCE was 9 July is impossible.

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Jeffro

You're going round in circles. Already answered. If you want a better understanding of solstices, look it up.

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Jeffro

I have already answered your stupid question. And yes, your question is stupid, because you keep asking it after I have answered it more than once.

An eclipse that is explicitly 6 days after the solstice cannot occur on 15 July, for the same reason that the solstice cannot occur on 9 July.

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Jeffro

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4566098901467136/just-read-that-carl-olof-jonsson-died-yesterday?page=27#5460040333393920

if you don’t know what a solstice is, you can find additional information about them on the internet.

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Jeffro

Fisherman:

Neither requesting nor demanding. Explain why.

🤦‍♂️

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Jeffro

Fisherman:

Can you explain in detail the significance of the solstice affecting the lunar eclipse.

Stop requesting (demanding) information that has already been clearly provided.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4566098901467136/just-read-that-carl-olof-jonsson-died-yesterday?page=28#5137112924422144

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Jeffro

Of course, VAT 4956 is endorsed by the Watch Towers Society as authentic in the 1 November 2011 issue of The Watchtower, which goes to great lengths to claim VAT 4956 supports JW dogma. But because of obvious errors that render their interpretation impossible, even that endorsement isn’t good enough for Fisherman. 😂

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Jeffro

🤦‍♂️

I understand that you need to be able to discredit VAT 4956 because it contradicts your religious superstitions. And I also know that even if someone went to the trouble of authenticating it, you would continue to ignore what it says anyway. Just like all the other evidence that categorically disproves the JW dogma about 607BCE (including the Bible itself).

Also, I committed no fallacy. I really would like evidence for the claim that the Bible is ‘inspired’ (whatever that means).

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Jeffro

Fisherman:

I would like to see evidence that vat 4956 is authentic or “inspired”.

I’d like to see evidence that the Bible is ‘inspired’. Also need a valid definition of ‘inspired’ including the supposed method of transmission. Also required is a meaningful definition of ‘spirit-directed’, including its specific mechanism of transmission and how it specifically differs from ‘inspiration’. (However, biblical chronology for the neo-Babylonian period is consistent with secular history for the period anyway, and identities the destruction of Jerusalem in 587 BCE relative to the known dates of other events.)

Experts widely recognise the content of VAT 4956 to be genuine. It is generally considered to be a Seleucid era copy of a neo-Babylonian original. And you’re veering into tinfoil hat territory if you think it was a convenient forgery just to make JWs look bad.

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Jeffro

In his desperation, poor old 'scholar' chose as his 'experts' Rolf Furuli and Robert Newton.

We know, of course, that Furuli's works are those of a Watch Tower Sociey shill. But what about Newton? Here's an excerpt from a review of Newton's The Crime of Claudius Ptolemy (link to full article below quote).

Science (24 February 1978, vol. 199, issue 4331, page 872), by Bernard R. Goldstein, Department of History and Philosophy of Science, University of Pittsburgh:

Unfortunately, Newton's arguments in support of these charges are marred by all manner of distortions, misunderstandings, and excesses of rhetoric due to an intensely polemical style.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.199.4331.872.a

Importantly, though, we should not lose sight of the fact that VAT 4956 isn't the work of Ptolemy, and 'scholar' still has no evidence that the solstice in VAT 4956 was calculated rather than observed. And regardless of whether it were observed or calculated, assigning 9 July 588 BCE for the solstice in question is impossible.