Posts by Jeffro

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Is Bible chronology true?

by Fisherman in

according to jw interpretation of bible chronology, the earliest human, adam, came into existence some 6,048 years ago compared to scientific dating of human fossils believed to be much older.

since jesus validated the creation of adam and eve as historical people and jc’s own lineage is traced all the way back to adam, bible chronology is certified as true and there must be something wrong with scientific dating.

what proves scientific dating as accurate that humans are much older than what bible chronology says?.

Jeffro

Fisherman would like it to be true that scientific dating methods are just too unreliable. The usual target for claims of inaccuracy is carbon-dating, though scientists actually use various methods, and carbon-dating is only used for samples within a certain timeframe.

However, the Watch Tower Society says carbon-dating is reliable as far back as about 3,500 years ago (Awake!, 22 November 1981, p. 15). Well within that period is the earthquake that occurred during Amos' time. And, naturally, the facts of that event also show JW chronology to be wrong. See Amos' earthquake.

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Is Bible chronology true?

by Fisherman in

according to jw interpretation of bible chronology, the earliest human, adam, came into existence some 6,048 years ago compared to scientific dating of human fossils believed to be much older.

since jesus validated the creation of adam and eve as historical people and jc’s own lineage is traced all the way back to adam, bible chronology is certified as true and there must be something wrong with scientific dating.

what proves scientific dating as accurate that humans are much older than what bible chronology says?.

Jeffro

Fisherman:

A genealogy is not allegory.

The two spurious genealogies in Matthew and Luke are not even attributed to Jesus. And just because they aren't allegory, that doesn't mean they are correct (which would be a false dichotomy). So it's not clear what your point is there.

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Is Bible chronology true?

by Fisherman in

according to jw interpretation of bible chronology, the earliest human, adam, came into existence some 6,048 years ago compared to scientific dating of human fossils believed to be much older.

since jesus validated the creation of adam and eve as historical people and jc’s own lineage is traced all the way back to adam, bible chronology is certified as true and there must be something wrong with scientific dating.

what proves scientific dating as accurate that humans are much older than what bible chronology says?.

Jeffro

🤦‍♂️ He just keeps further demonstrating why the whole belief system is wrong.

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Is Bible chronology true?

by Fisherman in

according to jw interpretation of bible chronology, the earliest human, adam, came into existence some 6,048 years ago compared to scientific dating of human fossils believed to be much older.

since jesus validated the creation of adam and eve as historical people and jc’s own lineage is traced all the way back to adam, bible chronology is certified as true and there must be something wrong with scientific dating.

what proves scientific dating as accurate that humans are much older than what bible chronology says?.

Jeffro

Notice the apologist’s inconsistent standards of evidence. Jesus purportedly once referring to the Jewish creation myth - without naming the characters - is described as ‘validation’, ‘verification’ and ‘certification’ that the characters were real. But literally hundreds of thousands of scientific papers about verified dating methods are dismissed because they contradict the apologist’s religious superstitions.

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Is Bible chronology true?

by Fisherman in

according to jw interpretation of bible chronology, the earliest human, adam, came into existence some 6,048 years ago compared to scientific dating of human fossils believed to be much older.

since jesus validated the creation of adam and eve as historical people and jc’s own lineage is traced all the way back to adam, bible chronology is certified as true and there must be something wrong with scientific dating.

what proves scientific dating as accurate that humans are much older than what bible chronology says?.

Jeffro

He literally provided half a million examples containing accurate dating.

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Is Bible chronology true?

by Fisherman in

according to jw interpretation of bible chronology, the earliest human, adam, came into existence some 6,048 years ago compared to scientific dating of human fossils believed to be much older.

since jesus validated the creation of adam and eve as historical people and jc’s own lineage is traced all the way back to adam, bible chronology is certified as true and there must be something wrong with scientific dating.

what proves scientific dating as accurate that humans are much older than what bible chronology says?.

Jeffro

Fisherman:

Obviously, the certification is believed to come from Jesus by referring to to Adam and Eve as historical.

If Jesus believed Adam and Eve were real people, he was wrong. But setting aside the fact that there is no evidence that Jesus said anything attributed to him in the Bible, Jesus never even mentions Adam or Eve, much less saying they are historical..

In one anecdote about divorce, Jesus alludes to the Jewish creation myth in passing without naming the characters, in the same way he alludes to various stories. But there is no more reason to take it as ‘validation’ of Adam than it is to believe the Good Samaritan or the prodigal son were real people.

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Is Bible chronology true?

by Fisherman in

according to jw interpretation of bible chronology, the earliest human, adam, came into existence some 6,048 years ago compared to scientific dating of human fossils believed to be much older.

since jesus validated the creation of adam and eve as historical people and jc’s own lineage is traced all the way back to adam, bible chronology is certified as true and there must be something wrong with scientific dating.

what proves scientific dating as accurate that humans are much older than what bible chronology says?.

Jeffro

Fisherman:

There is no proof that scientific dating debunks Bible chronology.

😂🤣🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣🤣😂🤣🤣😂

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Is Bible chronology true?

by Fisherman in

according to jw interpretation of bible chronology, the earliest human, adam, came into existence some 6,048 years ago compared to scientific dating of human fossils believed to be much older.

since jesus validated the creation of adam and eve as historical people and jc’s own lineage is traced all the way back to adam, bible chronology is certified as true and there must be something wrong with scientific dating.

what proves scientific dating as accurate that humans are much older than what bible chronology says?.

Jeffro

Phizzy:

So even when a seemingly specific period like "430 years" or whatever is spoken of, this is often for literary reasons, and rarely accurate.

Such details are often initially allegorical or have some other esoteric meaning, but nutters later take them literally. Because details in Exodus 6 and 12 contradict other details in Genesis 12 about the duration the Israelites would supposedly be in Egypt (not a historical event), the alternative tradition developed that ‘Israelite slavery in Egypt’ ‘really’ started when Isaac was briefly mistreated by Ishmael (though in the story there weren’t any Israelites before Jacob). Of course, neither version is actually true though, and the Israelites were actually originally a Canaanite tribe.

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Is Bible chronology true?

by Fisherman in

according to jw interpretation of bible chronology, the earliest human, adam, came into existence some 6,048 years ago compared to scientific dating of human fossils believed to be much older.

since jesus validated the creation of adam and eve as historical people and jc’s own lineage is traced all the way back to adam, bible chronology is certified as true and there must be something wrong with scientific dating.

what proves scientific dating as accurate that humans are much older than what bible chronology says?.

Jeffro

Fisherman:

According to JW interpretation of Bible chronology, the earliest human, Adam, came into existence some 6,048 years ago compared to scientific dating of human fossils believed to be much older.

JW interpretation isn't consistent with Bible chronology, so that would be a different question to the one implied by the thread title. Bible chronology, which is wrong anyway, would place the creation of Adam in 4168 BCE, not 4026 BCE as asserted by JWs. (The discrepancy is primarily a result of omitting 213 years from the period between Abraham and the fictional Exodus by starting 430 years from fictitious Abraham's 75th year, inserting 48 years into the Divided Kingdom period because of their incorrect interpretation of Ezekiel's 390 years, and inserting 20 years into the Neo-Babylonian period because of their numerological superstitions about 1914, along with some additional minor errors introduced by not recognising that the relevant ancient societies counted ages ordinally starting from the first year.) Back in reality, we know that various human societies definitely predated the Bible's creation myth by many thousands of years.

Since Jesus validated the creation of Adam and Eve as historical people and JC’s own lineage is traced all the way back to Adam, Bible chronology is certified as true and there must be something wrong with scientific dating.

Special pleading. There's no evidence Jesus said anything attributed to him, or that he did not consider Adam and Eve to be allegorical characters, but if he believed that Adam and Eve were literal people, then he was just wrong. The spurious and contradictory 'genealogies' of Jesus conveniently appeared only after Jerusalem and its temple was destroyed.

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I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....

by BeaverEater in

jw
friends

im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.

while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.

lol.

Jeffro

🤦‍♂️ The unskilled apologist proposes that in his view, something always existed, apparently not realising that the proposed non-physical entity would necessarily violate the laws of thermodynamics (and basic reason). He also ignores the fact that despite Sea Breeze’s straw man, neither atheists nor cosmologists assert that the universe just ‘appeared from nothing’, which is actually the creationist position.

Cosmologists offer various hypotheses about the earliest moments of the known universe, none of which are asserted as fact. Because of the relationship between matter and time, it may not even make sense to suggest there could be anything ‘before’ the universe, though it is also possible that the current universe was preceded by one or more prior universes.

Some atheists are aware of hypotheses proposed by cosmologists, and others are not. There is no ‘atheist worldview’ about how the universe began.