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  The End of the Times of the Gentiles and the Restoration of the Kingdom

  by EisMe in

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  the end of the times of the gentiles and the restoration of the kingdom.

  the final stage of god’s plan on earth.

  the fulfillment of prophecy: the end of the gentile age.

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  Jeffro

  EisMe:

  Oh really? So why are there still wars in The Middle East? Come on now, let's catch up to reality.

  Because of superstitious nutters like you, but more violent.
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  Babylon The Great

  by EisMe in

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  babylon the great: a prophetic warning.

  babylon the great is not just a city—it is the system that governs the world economy.

  this was god's first judgment against economic babylon, but it would not be his last.. the three parts of babylon's economy.

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  Jeffro

  🤦‍♂️

  Please just go away.
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  Babylon The Great

  by EisMe in

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  babylon the great: a prophetic warning.

  babylon the great is not just a city—it is the system that governs the world economy.

  this was god's first judgment against economic babylon, but it would not be his last.. the three parts of babylon's economy.

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  Jeffro

  EisMe:

  Babylon the Great is not just a city

  Rome. It was Rome. An empire that ruled over its various client kingdoms. A long time ago.

  No relevance to anything happening now or in the future.
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  The End of the Times of the Gentiles and the Restoration of the Kingdom

  by EisMe in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the end of the times of the gentiles and the restoration of the kingdom.

  the final stage of god’s plan on earth.

  the fulfillment of prophecy: the end of the gentile age.

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  Jeffro

  EisMe:

  Now, we stand at the final moment—where God’s authority will be fully manifested.

  Wow, what are the odds. It just happens to be super-relevant to ‘our time’! 🙄🤦‍♂️

  The 42 months was the period of trampling Jerusalem from 66CE until its destruction in 70CE. It’s not complicated, and no amount of wishful thinking will actually make it apply to ‘our day’.
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  Unveiling the True Meaning of 666

  by EisMe in

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  unveiling the true meaning of 666. for centuries, the number 666 and the mark of the beast have sparked widespread speculation, fear, and countless interpretations.

  some believe it signifies an actual physical marking, while others see it as symbolic of spiritual allegiance.

  but amidst all these theories, one question remains:.

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  Jeffro

  Good grief. Not another one.

  666 (616 in Latin versions) refers to Nero. See also Nero Redivivus.

  It has no relevance whatsoever to anything happing now.
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  What does the Catholic church think of JW?

  by Halcon in

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  on a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.

  he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.

  is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?

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  Jeffro

  I have enough common sense to work out the story is likely true because there is a photo of the woman in the newspaper and she is wearing a JW convention badge

  Woman exists therefore anecdote is true. Yeah, great logic. 🤦‍♂️
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  Probability of Earth and life being how it is

  by ballistic in

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  there are some things we don't know about existence and whether the earth is a simulation or even a creation.

  but we can do some statistical analysis on it.. the probability of a planet like earth existing in the goldilocks zone and having a moon that perfectly eclipses the sun is extremely low, but it's not impossible.

  the habitable zone (or goldilocks zone) around a star is the region where a planet could potentially support liquid water on its surface.

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  Jeffro

  ballistic:

  How does the chipmonk know that what is coming in through his senses, and presumably creating a model of the outside world for him to observe, is really coming in from the outside and not just made up in his head?

  Chipmunks that don’t behave that way wouldn’t be chipmunks for long.
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  Probability of Earth and life being how it is

  by ballistic in

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  there are some things we don't know about existence and whether the earth is a simulation or even a creation.

  but we can do some statistical analysis on it.. the probability of a planet like earth existing in the goldilocks zone and having a moon that perfectly eclipses the sun is extremely low, but it's not impossible.

  the habitable zone (or goldilocks zone) around a star is the region where a planet could potentially support liquid water on its surface.

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  Jeffro

  I also see that Sea Breeze trotted out the 12 ‘facts’ about the ‘resurrection’ again after I preemptively refuted with a previous link to another thread 🤦‍♂️ . So here is the content from the previous thread (note that Sea Breeze has altered the wording but not the import in the list in this thread):

  1. Jesus died by crucifixion.

  Probably. It is possible that an eclipse at or around the time of his death may have enhanced superstitions that Jesus was in some way divine.
  

  2. He was buried.

  According to the narrative, he was placed in a tomb, not buried. What actually happened to his body is unknown.
  

  3. His death caused the disciples to despair and lose hope.

  Amazing. Sad event made people sad.🙄 This is just padding to get the special number 12.
  

  4. The tomb was empty (the most contested).

  No actual evidence for this apart from contradictory stories from decades later.
  

  5. The disciples had experiences which they believed were literal appearances of the risen Jesus (the most important proof).

  That people ‘believed’ something isn’t ‘proof’ of anything, and the details of what they believed happened are only available in embellished stories written decades later. Even in the stories, the disciples don’t initially recognise the person as Jesus. 🙄
  

  6. The disciples were transformed from doubters to bold proclaimers.

  Wow. Superstitious people became convinced of something. Many things were taken as portents at the time so an eclipse, earthquake, or even a shadow could have made them think Jesus was back.
  

  7. The resurrection was the central message.

  Arguably, but the purported value of the ransom was really the more important aspect. The claim that Jesus was resurrected actually diminishes the value of the ‘sacrifice’, since he supposedly got a massive reward for a comparatively bad weekend.
  

  8. They preached the message of Jesus’ resurrection in Jerusalem.

  Sect based on superstition spread in a time when superstition was even more rife than it is now. Nothing remarkable about this.

  9. The Church was born and grew.

  Sect based on superstition developed further. Still nothing remarkable about this.
  

  10. Orthodox Jews who believed in Christ made Sunday their primary day of worship.

  Entirely wrong. Sunday became the primary day of Christian worship many years later due to ‘pagan’ influence when Christianity had spread beyond a Jewish religion and the majority of Christians were gentiles.
  

  11. James was converted to the faith when he saw the resurrected Jesus (James was a family skeptic).

  This is a tradition only.
  

  12. Paul was converted to the faith (Paul was an outsider skeptic and opposer).

  Paul’s version of his conversion contradicts the version in Acts, particularly the details about where he went immediately after, indicating that at least one version is unreliable. JWs (and other groups) today tell stories of formerly ‘violent opposers’ who converted, so Paul’s actual conversion to Christianity isn’t remarkable. Paul reports having visions on more than one occasion, at times not even knowing whether he was ‘in the spirit’, (and also alludes to ‘a thorn in the flesh’) which could suggest an underlying psychiatric or other condition (e.g., epilepsy, ergotism, syphillis etc) that could exacerbate superstitious beliefs.
  
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  Probability of Earth and life being how it is

  by ballistic in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there are some things we don't know about existence and whether the earth is a simulation or even a creation.

  but we can do some statistical analysis on it.. the probability of a planet like earth existing in the goldilocks zone and having a moon that perfectly eclipses the sun is extremely low, but it's not impossible.

  the habitable zone (or goldilocks zone) around a star is the region where a planet could potentially support liquid water on its surface.

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  Jeffro

  Sea Breeze:

  Your above statement is rooted in the "present"

  Of course. Didn’t you read the thread title: “Probability of Earth and life being how it is”.

  It is difficult (and fascinating) to imagine how an otherwise intelligent human can believe a demonstratable lie like the one you stated.

  It’s your lie that has been demonstrated.
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  Probability of Earth and life being how it is

  by ballistic in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there are some things we don't know about existence and whether the earth is a simulation or even a creation.

  but we can do some statistical analysis on it.. the probability of a planet like earth existing in the goldilocks zone and having a moon that perfectly eclipses the sun is extremely low, but it's not impossible.

  the habitable zone (or goldilocks zone) around a star is the region where a planet could potentially support liquid water on its surface.

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  Jeffro

  Sea Breeze:

  I think that if someone were to predict their own death and then claim that they would resurrect themself from the dead afterwards, then do it - that would pretty much do it for me.

  Sheesh. Not this drivel again. The stories about Jesus were written much later than his lifetime. We know that to be a fact. They are unverifiable stories, many of them (especially in Matthew) desperately trying to make things in the Old Testament falsely appear to be ‘prophetic’. It is entirely unremarkable that someone with access to older stories could make up other stories based on those. And as for the supposed ‘proofs’ of the ‘resurrection’, dealt with at https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/280710/how-would-you-define-religion-why?page=8#4884876684165120.