the issue contains the "life story" of a brother who has been in for sixty years, but it really sounds like someone from jwd who is subtly bashing the org.. according to him he only got dunked some 60 years ago because "my mother (repeatedly) emphasized one point to me; armageddon is coming soon"!
when he was baptized to age 13 he "only understood basic bible teachings and understood that he was responsible to jehovah for my conduct".
note he specifically omits mention of the wtbs as being representive of god and fails to mention "showing glory to the elders and others" as demanded in wt 9/1/97 but is seeming to mock the wt with the "soon" remark and also with the fact that he was baptized at 13, without his parent's permission and with little knowledge.. anyway, his mom is dead and here we are 60 years later.
GaryMy wife says the same thing...
Me: "How will you feel when it all turns out to be a lie?"
Wife: "It doesn't matter because I worship Jehovah not the organization. And I lived my life doing what He wants"
Me: "But it is a lie, it isn't what he wants"
Wife: "Well, people in the world have all these problems, and at least I was protected from that"
Argument for the next hour.
I think we're married to the same woman
i've heard it a hundred times.
"noah preached, so we preach.
" but is that what the bible indicates?
after much thought and research, i with heavy heart, must say yes.
i know there is a creator or supreme being of somekind.
the chances of life just happening flies in the face of all mathmatical probability models.
After much thought and research, I with heavy heart, must say YES. I know there is a creator or supreme being of somekind. The chances of life just happening flies in the face of all mathmatical probability models. So has anyone figured out WHY would someone create life on earth, with animals and humans, especially, having the ability and desire to live ad infinitum? I really just do not understand. The more I research religion, the more I find its a way of self denial to the realities of life. Maybe living in "fantasy land" is better for ones state of mind, because when you start digging and the truth becomes appearent, you just cannot forget, nor go back. I guess what bothers me the most is that if a creator does exist, you would think he would show some sort of inkling to care. As other posts have mentioned the whole Univ. Sov. issue is a farce. It shows god to be weak and vunerable. Any other theories? Biblical thoughts? Perhaps there is justice in what is happening (at least thats how I appease my mind), and because of my inferior intellect I just cannot grasp the meaning. I don't know, but life in its entirety makes no sense. Might as well, "Eat and drink, for tomorrow I might die"...
perhaps some of you had to suffer thru the society's latest special talk in which they rehashed the idea that our evil world exists.
because satan's challenges have to be answered.. .... but no one ever reasons on what a truly dumb idea this is!.
the dumb part of it is the fact that jehovah is said to sustain the universe, "making it rain upon the wicked and the righteous".. there is simply no way that god could be challenged on a "moral" basis since there is no way to ever prove that god.
So if Uni.Sov. is NOT the issue then can anyone explain the present, past, and possible same future (less than desirable)? I would think some sort of God would care or "pop" in from time to time to see how things are going?
well with all the new light threads i started to wonder, is there even one example in the bible of new light?
i've looked and looked but it seems that i can't find anything.
i know certain principles or guidelines were expounded on from the ot to the nt, but you don't hear jesus or the apostles saying adultry is: ok, forbidden, ok, forbidden, etc.. besides the vague scripture the jw's pull out of psalms (i think) on new light are there any other bible examples?
Can you imagine a 1000+ women all on the rag?!?! Now if he was an all nighter can you imagine all the women wanting to talk to him when all he wanted to do was go to sleep. OMG. He more than likely went nuts
perhaps some of you had to suffer thru the society's latest special talk in which they rehashed the idea that our evil world exists.
because satan's challenges have to be answered.. .... but no one ever reasons on what a truly dumb idea this is!.
the dumb part of it is the fact that jehovah is said to sustain the universe, "making it rain upon the wicked and the righteous".. there is simply no way that god could be challenged on a "moral" basis since there is no way to ever prove that god.
I thought about this very thing as I walked across the parking lot from school this morning. I looked at a few animals scavaging for found by one of the bins and another one running pretty fast across the hot parking lot, and thought to myself that I am basically no different than these simple animals. Although I am seeking a higher education, really what does it give me. I still will have to work in this life, my body will start to fall apart, and I might have 60 or so years, from now, before I kick the bucket. Then what?!?!? Then I thought back about the Uni.Sov. issue and thought to myself how stupid is that? If god was all powerfull why would he allow a lessor "god" even challenge him? He would know what the outcome was. It would be like me telling a small child not to touch the stove while it is on or they will get burned. I have more knowledge than they, and I know what the outcome will be. So if they defy me I have every right to punish them. It would be cruel for me to allow them to touch it only to get burned and then tell them "I told you so".
I know you should make life as enjoyable as possible, and humans tend to look at the short term. In the long term what REALLY bothers me is that after my life is used up thats it, wow, BFD. Then what you go to heaven? If thats the case wouldn't it be PERFECTLY clear that that is the case, and just maybe a dead loved one WOULD tell you of the benefits of living a good life? I think the harsh reality, though I would really like to believe in a higher creature, is that once you die you are fodder...
well with all the new light threads i started to wonder, is there even one example in the bible of new light?
i've looked and looked but it seems that i can't find anything.
i know certain principles or guidelines were expounded on from the ot to the nt, but you don't hear jesus or the apostles saying adultry is: ok, forbidden, ok, forbidden, etc.. besides the vague scripture the jw's pull out of psalms (i think) on new light are there any other bible examples?
Well with all the New Light threads I started to wonder, is there even ONE example in the Bible of New Light? I've looked and looked but it seems that I can't find anything. I know certain principles or guidelines were expounded on from the OT to the NT, but you don't hear Jesus or the Apostles saying adultry is: ok, forbidden, ok, forbidden, etc.
Besides the vague scripture the JW's pull out of Psalms (I think) on new light are there any other bible examples?
apparently, a large percentage of xjw's who post on this site have embraced some other form of god/jesus belief to replace the wt doctrine.
most of them fall into the "i accept the lord jesus christ as my personal savior" class.
they are still extremely attached to the old "forgiveness of sin through the shed blood of jc" line.
Has anyone started an ant farm off from scratch? Then 2 months later you get bored and "forget" to feed the ants while the colony is at full swing. Eventually the ants turn on each other and the experiment comes to a screatching halt some time in the future. Then one spring day, many months later you happen to walk by the ant farm only to see all the ants dead. You think back to when that occupied your time but because of boredom you found some other project to work on. Now your only concern is how to get the mold off that is growing on the ant farm glass...
That is life. I believe in a Supreme being but I do not think he cares about man. Think about it, if you had the power to end all problems would you not as an IMPERFECT human do so? Also, how can a loving god continue to bring punishment upon future generations of the first pair? Would you as an IMPERFECT human even entertain the thought of punishing your grandchildren and great grand children for something your child did?
The universal soverenty issue makes no sense. Think about it, why does god allow this to go on? HE IS GOD. He has every right to be challenged, but the challenger WILL LOSE, he is god and he is almighty and he knows best - so in essence he should not give a rats ass about what his angels think or what humans might think since he is GOD and he KNOWS how it will turn out in the end. By allowing this to go on his is basically allowing weaker sub-gods to challenge him with them thinking they can defeat him. Yea that sounds like God is ALMIGHTY, when someone thinks they can challenge him and get away with it.
anyone who listened to sol's recordings, would have heard at the end of the first recording of the second appeal meeting (the one that he showed up with a bearded jw named "sean") sol mentioning a second recording device that remained in a brief case recording the elders as they discussed sol's case without him present.
perhaps you are wondering what happened to those.
well, let me fill you in.. sometime while sol was dismissed from the group for the second time, the elders searched the brief case.
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god said ,.
you shall not eat from it or touch it,.
the serpent said to the woman,.
The book of Enoch indicates that Satan was not the serpent, it was another angel.
Chapter 68
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After this judgment they shall be astonished and irritated; for it shall be exhibited to the inhabitants of the earth.2
Behold the names of those angels. These are their names. The first of them is Samyaza; the second, Arstikapha; the third, Armen; the fourth, Kakabael; the fifth, Turel; the sixth, Rumyel; the seventh, Danyal; the eighth, Kael; the ninth, Barakel; the tenth, Azazel; the eleventh, Armers; the twelfth, Bataryal; the thirteenth, Basasael; the fourteenth, Ananel; the fifteenth, Turyal; the sixteenth, Simapiseel; the seventeenth, Yetarel; the eighteenth, Tumael; the nineteenth, Tarel; the twentieth, Rumel; the twenty-first, Azazyel.3
These are the chiefs of their angels, and the names of the leaders of their hundreds, and the leaders of their fifties, and the leaders of their tens.4
The name of the first is Yekun: (68) he it was who seduced all the sons of the holy angels; and causing them to descend on earth, led astray the offspring of men.(68) Yekun may simply mean "the rebel" (Knibb, p. 160).
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The name of the second is Kesabel, who pointed out evil counsel to the sons of the holy angels, and induced them to corrupt their bodies by generating mankind.6
The name of the third is Gadrel: he discovered every stroke of death to the children of men.7
He seduced Eve; and discovered to the children of men the instruments of death, the coat of mail, the shield, and the sword for slaughter; every instrument of death to the children of men.
