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Watchtower.org article on tattoos

by AlmostAtheist in

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hey all,.

i'm practically brain-dead this afternoon, unable to handle anything of any intellectual level to speak of.

so i thought i'd drop by watchtower.org and see what drivel they were passing off these days.. one of the lead articles is "should i get a tattoo?".

sinis

That picture is fucking stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why does that girl have her head down, WTF?!?!? Damn, if that ain't a picture of the Japanese Bethel, hahahahaha.

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Why does the WTS say not to pray this way?

by sinis in

if jesus didn't want us to use the our father prayer than why did he say to pray then this way?

the wts seems to never use it as supposedly christendom does..

sinis

Here is the reason the WT gives
w04 2/1 p. 8 "Lord, Teach Us How to Pray" "A certain one of his disciples said to him: ?Lord, teach us how to pray.?"?LUKE 11:1.
ON ONE occasion in 32 C.E., a disciple of Jesus observed Him praying. He could not hear what Jesus was saying to his Father, for it was probably a silent prayer. Nevertheless, when Jesus finished, the disciple said to him: "Lord, teach us how to pray." (Luke 11:1) What prompted this request? Prayer was a regular part of Jewish life and worship. The Hebrew Scriptures contain numerous prayers in the book of Psalms and elsewhere. So the disciple was not asking to be taught something that he knew nothing about or that he had never done. Doubtless, he was familiar with the formalistic prayers of the religious leaders of Judaism. But now he had observed Jesus praying, and he likely sensed that there was a big difference between the sanctimonious prayers of the rabbis and the way Jesus prayed.?Matthew 6:5-8.
2 Some 18 months earlier, in his Sermon on the Mount, Jesus had provided his disciples with a model upon which to base their prayers. (Matthew 6:9-13) Possibly(love this word) this particular disciple was not present at that time, so Jesus kindly repeated the essential points of that model prayer. Noticeable is the fact that he did not repeat it word for word, indicating that he was not giving a liturgical prayer to be recited by rote. (Luke 11:1-4) Like that unnamed disciple, we too want to be taught how to pray so that our prayers will draw us closer to Jehovah. Let us therefore examine the fuller version of the model prayer, as recorded by the apostle Matthew. It consists of seven requests, of which three concern God?s purposes and four concern our material and spiritual needs. In this article, we will consider the first three petitions.

*** w04 9/15 p. 4 The Lord?s Prayer?Its Meaning for You ***
The Lord?s Prayer?Its Meaning for YouTHE Lord?s Prayer, as given by Jesus Christ in the Sermon on the Mount, is found in the Bible at Matthew chapter 6, verses 9 through 13. Just before giving this prayer, Jesus said: "When praying, do not say the same things over and over again, just as the people of the nations do, for they imagine they will get a hearing for their use of many words."?Matthew 6:7.
Clearly (Really?), then, Jesus did not intend that the Lord?s Prayer be recited word for word. True, he later repeated this prayer for the benefit of another audience. (Luke 11:2-4) But the wording of the prayer differs somewhat in the Gospel accounts of Matthew and Luke. Moreover, later prayers by Jesus and his disciples did not rigidly adhere to the specific words of his model prayer. (And they know this how?)
The footnote for Matthew 6:7 reads "do not babble words do not utter empty repetitions" Which is maybe different to saying the same things over and over.

Except your NOT saying the same thing over and over as in a chant with the Lords Prayer - the Prayer covers the needs of life and you are only asking ONCE. I love how they use the word "possibly" that the disciple was not there - they have no freaking clue. Is anything identical in the gospels?!?!? Jesus H. Christ, what a weak defense the WTS offers. So here we have the Son of God saying to pray THIS WAY, and now comes along the WTS that says no, don't use the prayer in praying, its just an outline. Hmmmm, sounds like they don't want to use the prayer as it might associate them with Christendom, whom the hate.

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Why does the WTS say not to pray this way?

by sinis in

if jesus didn't want us to use the our father prayer than why did he say to pray then this way?

the wts seems to never use it as supposedly christendom does..

sinis

Crap they disn't come out right. Here's the link: http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/mat6.pdf

Matther 6:9-13

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Why does the WTS say not to pray this way?

by sinis in

if jesus didn't want us to use the our father prayer than why did he say to pray then this way?

the wts seems to never use it as supposedly christendom does..

sinis

If jesus didn't want us to use the Our Father prayer than why did he say to pray then THIS WAY? The WTS seems to never use it as supposedly Christendom does.

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Walmart Rage (MeLTdOwN)

by MsMcDucket in

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man!

wtf is wrong with people in walmart?

did they leave their manners at home?!

sinis

This is the problem with the world in general ------ COLOR. If color wasn't an issue in this thread I don't think I would have read it a dozen or more times... People need to get past it and see people for who they are: rude, kind, pleasant, etc., not white, black, red, yellow, etc.

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did Jesus give the name of God ???

by Ade in

john 17:6 "i have manifested thy name unto men which thou gavest me out of the world.

thine they were,and thou gavest them me, and they have kept thy word.

onoma : a "name" ( literally or figuratively ),( authority / character ) -called (sur)name .

sinis

Hi Sinis,
i appreciate your thoughts although i do not necessarily agree with them, after reading this portion of scripture more carefully it seems to cover in 17:10 that all Gods things are Jesus's and vice versa, placing them on an equal plane. which is hard for me to accept as ive never believed in a trinity type scenario

then there is also as Narkissos rightfully pointed out 17:11 " protect them in YOUR name that you have GIVEN ME"
Which again seems to indicate that Jesus has been given/has GODS name.
again pointing to the fact they are literally one and the same.

This is a difficulty for me as i stated i have never believed in a trinity, or is that is whats being stated here.

God bless you all
Ade

And yet your son or child no doubt would have access to your things. In ancient tradition the son inherited all things. Yet the son and the father were different. You also have your fathers name(last name), yet you are two seperate entities. I think that the writters of the NT and even OT used language familiar to the readers of the day. Property rights, name usage etc. have been woven into those scriptures, yet I don't come away with beleiving they are one and the same - just as a father and son are different.

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did Jesus give the name of God ???

by Ade in

john 17:6 "i have manifested thy name unto men which thou gavest me out of the world.

thine they were,and thou gavest them me, and they have kept thy word.

onoma : a "name" ( literally or figuratively ),( authority / character ) -called (sur)name .

sinis

Sinis,

Do you believe that Jesus was just another son of El, and that it was El who loved the world so much that he gave Jesus to die for us?

I don't think that Jesus was a son of god (El). Really if you think about it what was ransomed? if you kidnape my child and ask for a ransom (usually money) than I have to trade money for my child. In the end I'm out the money but received my child back. So if Jesus was the son of god (which I do not believe) then what was lost? What was gained? Why would ALMIGHTY god require an archain sacrifice of sorts? When your child sins against you do you make him roast the family dog out back to satisfy your justice? Or when your sons sins against you do you hold his sin against his children, until time indefinite? It makes no sense. In fact up until the mid 1800's it was believed that god tricked satan into accepting a deal (the death of jesus) but in the end raised his son back thus nullifying the offer, yet satan was stuck holding an empty bag. After that christainities idea of the ransom changed.

Also, of note is why do none of the historians of that time speak of jesus? If he was so well known then why does Paul not even address him, since his writings came before the Gospels, and Paul was in jerusalem? Why to the dead sea scrolls and other records in the caves of Qumran not address christianity? Was it even as big as Paul has us to believe, or fabricated later in time? Too many questions and not enough answers. I would like to believe in a better afterlife or even perfect surroundings, but I keep thinking this might be it. Who says we were made perfect. As one other poster said, the level of perfection depends on the designer and creator. Perhaps, like the car manufacturers today, man was made to live a finite amount of time...

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did Jesus give the name of God ???

by Ade in

john 17:6 "i have manifested thy name unto men which thou gavest me out of the world.

thine they were,and thou gavest them me, and they have kept thy word.

onoma : a "name" ( literally or figuratively ),( authority / character ) -called (sur)name .

sinis

Hi Sinis,
I appreciate your answer but it doesnt really answer the question my friend, i want to know if Jesus named anyone. I'd be interested in your answer as to who is the True God though .
all the best
Ade

Personally, I think there is an almighty god with a pantheon of sub gods (or is sons) sort of like Sumarian belieifs or even Greek or Roman. Why do Christians find it so out of the question that this is perhaps the way it is? A pantheon of gods was believed for mileniums, only to change sometime within the first century. My belief is that it is far more complex than the bible alludes to.

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did Jesus give the name of God ???

by Ade in

john 17:6 "i have manifested thy name unto men which thou gavest me out of the world.

thine they were,and thou gavest them me, and they have kept thy word.

onoma : a "name" ( literally or figuratively ),( authority / character ) -called (sur)name .

sinis

JOHN :

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So they said to him, "Where is your father?" Jesus answered, "You know neither me nor my Father. If you knew me, you would know my Father also."

So, who were they worshipping? Obviously YAHWEH is not the Father.

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did Jesus give the name of God ???

by Ade in

john 17:6 "i have manifested thy name unto men which thou gavest me out of the world.

thine they were,and thou gavest them me, and they have kept thy word.

onoma : a "name" ( literally or figuratively ),( authority / character ) -called (sur)name .

sinis

YAHWEH is NOT Almighty God, but rather a son of god who received Isreal as an inheritance. Basically El gave his sons certain nations and YAHWEH got Isreal.

Psalm 89:6: For who in the skies can be compared to Yahweh, who among the sons of EL is like Yahweh, http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/psa89.pdf

Psalm 18:13: Yahweh also thundered in the heavens, and Elyon uttered his voice. (same as 2 Samuel 22:14)http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/psa18.pdf

Psalm 29:1: Ascribe to Yahweh, O sons of EL, ascribe to Yahweh glory and strength. http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/psa29.pdf http://scripturetext.com/psalms/29-1.html