Posts by sinis

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"Crystal Blue Persuasion" -- Is it really about the "Truth" Book?

by B_Deserter in

i haven't been able to find a definite source online.

all my life i was taught that this song was about the blue "truth" book that was being used to bring people into the witnesses in the late 60's/early 70's.

now that i don't blindly accept whatever i've been told, i'm having my doubts.

sinis

One word... Psychedelics Baby:

http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-songs-about-drugs

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No matter how much I resist - I must acknowledge that Jesus truly saves

by ithinkisee in

sinis

Jesus does save:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqbeo5A6ujE

You go to the church, you kiss the cross
You will be saved at any cost
You have your own reality
Christianity
You spend your life just kissing ass
A trait thats grown as time has passed
You think the world will end today
You praise the lord, its all you say

Jesus saves, listen to you pray
You think youll see the pearly gates
When death takes you away

For all respect you cannot lust
In an invisible man you place your trust
Indirect dependency
Eternal attempt at amnesty
He will decide who lives and dies
Depopulate satanas rise
You will be an accessory
Irreverence and blasphemy

(lead: king)

Jesus saves, no need to pray
The gates of pearl have turned to gold
It seems youve lost your way

(lead: hanneman)

Jesus saves, no words of praise
No promised land to take you to
There is no other way

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Is Satan a hypocrite or the biggest sinner of all?

by The Dragon in

did jesus come to save sinners or hypocrites?.

if satan admits he is the biggest sinner of all....is he to be saved or destroyed with the hypocrites of self-proclaimed holy people?.

or saved with the sinners?.

Satan is the creator of man, while Jehovah is man's enemy. Look at older cultures and you will see this. The only reason Christians believe in Jehovah is because he was chosen by Abram at the age in which he was allowed to choose a god. His forefathers worshipped Enki/Satan. Jehovah, is the biggest sinner for he has killed millions of people, not only in the old and new testament but also in everyday life. How many people did Satan kill when he offered freedom from slavery from the gods, and knowledge? None that I'm aware of.

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ETERNITY BEFORE CREATION.....THE NON-EXISTENCE.....of GOD!

by Terry in

before god began creating.......he wasn't a creator.. before god began creating.....there was nothing......and therefore nothing to know.. before god began creating...there was nothing and nothing to know....and therefore nothing to love.. before god began creating...he was alone with nothing to distinguish him from nothingness except--what?

his mind?

filled with what, actually?.

sinis

Time is circular, not linear. It is only linear in an infinitely small context point, in which a tangent can be drawn between two points. So, there is no beginning or an end, just a recycling of events along the circular path.

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Coming to terms with your death - immortality options

by Crumpet in

i must say its terribly hard to dredge up any enthusiasm for today or even this week at work, but i dont feel depressed.

the weather has been so undecided these last few weeks, a little sun, but mostly pregnant clouds breaking water over our heads several times a day.

its also quite warm and clammy as if we are in a limbo land between seasons and there is little in terms of beauty to redeem it.

sinis

Death? Ha, Gods never die...

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do you still JWspeak?

by knock knock in

but, i see that a good number of people here still say things like "i came in to the truth..." or "i learned the truth..." etc.

not being nitpicky or anything but just curious as to why do some still "talk the talk" so to speak.

just out of habit?

sinis

NO!!!! It irritates the HOLY HELL out of me. In fact I have asked my wife and those around me to stop saying the phrase "the truth", "brothers", "sisters", and JEHOVAH. Just say religion, or call it what it is "Jehovahs Witnesess", say people or parishoners, and for gods sake, just say God or Zeus, Jove, or whatever (offer some kind of variety), just stop using the name JEHOVAH, I'm not jewish and I'm not worshipping a Jewish god, I'd rather worship the gods of my forefathers before I worship a god I have no connection with in blood or region and that is half a world away and centuries seperated.

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Flood of Gilgamesh written long before Noahs flood. Look at how simular!!

by Lady Liberty in

dear friends,.

lately i have been re-researching some things i learned as i was leaving the borg.

for lurkers and newbies, i thought i would share this with you.. apparently long before the flood of noah, was a story told and recorded on 12 clay tablets, of a flood so simular to noahs that it will be shocking to you if you have never read about it.

sinis

Sinis,
CALM DOWN!
i wasn't even refering to you. My comment was aimed at JCanon, and other, your posted clearly wasn't making any apologist claims from what i can see.
However claims of something happening every 3600 years, what has that got to do with anything? that would at best take us back to the susposed exodus?, so i am not quite aure what your on about there.
Local flooding on a large scale i agree with you 100% is it possible that a previous much larger local flood build the myth...quite possible. So it seesm we agree pretty much, so i dont see why you took i was having a go a you.
Also i am aware of how earth was tranlated in genises,erets (eh'-rets) - common, country, earth, field, ground, land, X natins, way, + wilderness, world.
SO may be things are cleared up a little now

I shouldn't have swore. Sorry. I had a really bad day, and just snapped, no excuses (even though I just gave one ). Will clean up my post. Thanks. -Sorry

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Flood of Gilgamesh written long before Noahs flood. Look at how simular!!

by Lady Liberty in

dear friends,.

lately i have been re-researching some things i learned as i was leaving the borg.

for lurkers and newbies, i thought i would share this with you.. apparently long before the flood of noah, was a story told and recorded on 12 clay tablets, of a flood so simular to noahs that it will be shocking to you if you have never read about it.

sinis

Presume is the wrong word here, we have a accurate record of the ice cores, and your reference to they interpret a layer for a year, shows how far off the mark you are, There are a number of techniques used to dated ice layers, as more than one layer a year can be laid down. ALL the evidence point away from a global flood, weather people choose to accept that or not. But you iinsist to place your reasoning sole and only on the bible baffles me, when science or history agree with the bible you take the point, when it disagrees you dismiss and claims the bible to be infallible. The only way you can test something to see if it real is to subject its claims to testing , the flood it fails on, big time. Their is NO evidence that a an ice canopy ever or could even have exisited. NO evidence for a global flood, in fact the only reason we even have this discussion is that a flood is mentioned in the bible , without the bible this would never be even a talking point.
Apologists fall over themselves trying to justify the embrassingly ignorant claims made in the bible, now to believe in the in face of evidence and claims that is the evidence is that strong God put it their to fool us....Oh my science!
I guess we should be thankful that it is belief system that fly so far in the face of reason logic and evidence which makes the idea of the bible being infallible more and more difficult to swallow to anyone that bother to look outside the box.

Excuse me! What are you talking about? I'm not an apologist! I am simply offering another side of your story. For every article you show, I can show another that indicates that SOMETHING happens EVERY 3600 years! There is conjecture that FLOODING occured around 4000 bc due to polar shifting and that it may have had some credence in the total earth flooding stories, which I have said was false! It does not escape that fact that there more than likely was a series of events that took place around that time, that were all regional in nature, yet because different socities said they experienced it, it became a "global" concept. Oh, and perhaps looking at the verbage used in Genesis and how modern English translates the word "earth", would be helpfull also.

I also simply offered ancient maps to indicate that the poles were partially frozen as recently as up to 500 years ago! I've read the good doctors explanation, but there are several others who discount his works, or at least say that the maps display regions that were not even discovered until 1820 and for which the good doctor has no explanation. Here's some excerpts from others within the scientific community:

Hapgood (1958) and Hancock’s (1995) evidence bears further scrutiny before it is accepted as fact. Since the publication of Hancock’s (1995) book, numerous well-documented criticisms have appeared on the Internet, many of them originating in news- and talkgroups. Just as Hancock’s evidence deals with three main topics, so do the criticisms. In particular, Hapgood’s interpretations of the maps he used is suspect; most accepted evidence with respect to Antarctica contradicts Hancock and Hapgood; and Hancock’s claims about the northern hemisphere and the last ice age tend to be incorrect.

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Do you Consider yourself "Christian" and what does this imply?

by JH in

i consider myself "christian", but don't know exactly what one must do to please christ and yhwh...

sinis

So you are all basically jewish christians, not just "christians", since you subscribe to Yahweh as being God almighty? I don't think I've seen Yahweh's name in the Greek interlinear. In my opinion you can't be Christian without the jewish baggage (it works the other way but not for christians). In other words why not just use the Greek scriptures as your guide and forget about the jewish scrips?

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Flood of Gilgamesh written long before Noahs flood. Look at how simular!!

by Lady Liberty in

dear friends,.

lately i have been re-researching some things i learned as i was leaving the borg.

for lurkers and newbies, i thought i would share this with you.. apparently long before the flood of noah, was a story told and recorded on 12 clay tablets, of a flood so simular to noahs that it will be shocking to you if you have never read about it.

sinis

According to Johnsen in "Irregular glacial interstadials recorded in a new Greenland ice core "(peer reviewed) they have ice cores dating back over 40,000 years with no evidence of a flood on a major scale, I realise that what you are proposing is more localized ,but still would represent a major section of Greenland/Europe and down to the middle east. there is no evidence of anything that catastrofic happen in the last 40k years, i the way of a flood.
A local flood to the middle east area only, yes, there was an interesting theory on the 'black sea' busting its banks, whihc could well have given rise to the legends about the flood. I personally haven't looked into how much of this is accurate ,after all it was on the history channel! ( so who knows)
The facts is we live on a planet that is still in a state of flux, the fact we are sat on a lava bed still , will cause all kinds of problem's it does. Our planets isn't as friendly as most seem to think. The earth hasn't shown stability in all recorded history, with ice ages coming and going. And that's not including the risk from space.
Another big issue with the flood is the ark itself. According to the bibles own details, a structure of this size made in the way it is described would have collapsed under its own weight, excluding the inhabitants, and not including either the flood water raises and the movement that would have taken place. Most respected biblical scolars now state that the Flood is just a myth.
Steve

Except if the Oronteus Finaeus or Piri Reis maps of the Antarctic are true then we have a problem, as these maps show rivers and mountains within the interior that no longer exist (under ice). So if the ice formed after approx 4000 bc or melted and refroze (occurence linked to polar shifting?) then ice cores may not be accurate. Also, if these maps are in fact of the Antarctic, then within 500 years things changed drastically (ice migrating). If that is the case then how can the ice cores be over 40K years old?