o.k just worked out how to start a new post/thread, just came across this and wanted to share with anyone that may be interested.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/.
coeur dalene, idaho, city officials have laid down the law to christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines.. read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/#ixzz3ibe4kyvq follow us: @washtimes on twitter.
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Junction-guy, all the arguments you trot out about gays seeking equal rights would slot nicely into the kinds of things that have been said in earlier times about the audacity of other groups jostling for equality. Women who spoke out of turn in the presence of men were accused of being uppity, coloreds as needing to show respect and other ethnicities of staying in their designated places.
Given junction-guy's history he really ought to have a little more sympathy.
o.k just worked out how to start a new post/thread, just came across this and wanted to share with anyone that may be interested.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/.
coeur dalene, idaho, city officials have laid down the law to christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines.. read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/#ixzz3ibe4kyvq follow us: @washtimes on twitter.
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Firstly please stop SHOUTING, it's rude.
Marry to express their LOVE for each other or to BENEFIT from the laws that married people have.
Why should they not get to do both?
If it were SOLELY to express their love for each other then why NOT just have a CIVIL ceremony WHY force the GAY AGENDA on the CHRISTIANS.....
There is no such thing as a 'gay agenda' it's just people standing up for their right to be treated the same as everyone else. Of course there is the small point the the christian agenda has been forced on people for the last thousand years or so. It's not fun when the shoe is on the other foot is it?
Christians did NOT set the standard YHVH did!
No, people did. Tell me do you wear clothes of mixed fibres? Do you eat shrimp or lobster? Stoned anyone recently? No? then you don't get to use the bible to dictate other peoples lifestyles because that would make you a hypocrite.
Whether one is gay or straight or just haven't got a clue, virgins, there is always something that we find in ours that is not acceptable/compatible to Him.
I assume you are referring to the fact that preachers are just as likely to be doing a bit of molestation on the side anyway?
Perhaps if they all got together they could melt all these little knick knacks down and then they could make a nice statue of a calf and paint it gold?
A complete inability to articulate what the arguments against their own beliefs are. You see it on here all the time, some fundy starts spouting off about evolution even though they don't understand anything about evolution.
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?isbn=0309064066&page=25.
http://www.nas.edu/evolution/intelligentdesign.html.
http://www.aaas.org/news/aaas-board-resolution-intelligent-design-theory.
Jhine,
I will read the books you suggest after you have read the books Cofty suggests in the whale evolution thread. After all I have had an entire childhood learning creationism and then educated myself on science and evolution. I need no further evidence that creationists are long on talk and completely empty handed when it come to evidence. You however, are wilfully ignorant of the mountains of evidence for evolution. Once you can explain to me in your own words what scientists use as the evidence for evolution then you are in a position to argue why you think it's wrong.
I noticed of course that you fail to take me up on the challenge to give me some examples of the religious side to this debate.
(edited to correct a spelling mistake)
this excellent little video sumamrises some of the evidence for the evolutionary history of cetaceans.. if focuses on comparative anatomy, embryology, fossils and dna.. .... .
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Evolution says: you keep getting better and better. Except now it's transhumanism which basically says humans can become like gods. Very similar.
Evolution says nothing of the sort, if you wish to have an opinion on this subject it's best to find out what the other side is actually talking about otherwise you just make yourself look like an uneducated twit.
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?isbn=0309064066&page=25.
http://www.nas.edu/evolution/intelligentdesign.html.
http://www.aaas.org/news/aaas-board-resolution-intelligent-design-theory.
Science and religion do not have to be enemies just because people like Dawkins say so .(my favourite drum to bang , check things for yourself ) . Christian scientists do not leave their brains at the exit of the lab or research faciltiy . All I am saying is that there are two intelligent , well thought out sides to this , not just one
Science and religion are not enemies because Richard Dawkins says so. The reason that science and religion are in conflict is because religion chooses to put itself at odds with established scientific fact. Religion chooses to push it's agenda into schools (by pushing to teach creationism) for example.
There is no such thing as a christian scientist, there may be scientists who are christians. Christianity has nothing to add to science, there are no christian ideas being published in scientific journals. There is not an intelligent well thought out christian side to this debate at all, there isn't a single credible scientific journal publishing anything on the religious side at all. By all means tells us where this intelligent well thought out religious side to the debate is and I will happily show you why their argument is wrong (with examples!)
This is a debate that the religious side lost many years ago, unfortunately not everyone has got the news yet.
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?isbn=0309064066&page=25.
http://www.nas.edu/evolution/intelligentdesign.html.
http://www.aaas.org/news/aaas-board-resolution-intelligent-design-theory.
What do you think this place is Oub, Pendants Corner ?
Or is that a mutepoint ?
I see what you did there. LOL (moot)
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?isbn=0309064066&page=25.
http://www.nas.edu/evolution/intelligentdesign.html.
http://www.aaas.org/news/aaas-board-resolution-intelligent-design-theory.
should those be imitation and flattery?
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?isbn=0309064066&page=25.
http://www.nas.edu/evolution/intelligentdesign.html.
http://www.aaas.org/news/aaas-board-resolution-intelligent-design-theory.
Viviane, apologies, your post wasn't up when I started writing my post!
Still, great minds think alike and fools seldom differ!
