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  Sick of the nanny state. Polictical correctness can kiss my donkey!

  by punkofnice in

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  i am sick of this bloody nanny state here in the uk.

  political correcness has become a drag.

  (am i allowed to say drag without offending someone?).

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  Caedes

  I think you totally missed my point. At no stage do I endorse the thought that we should say what we like about minorities.

  Well the three 'examples' you used in your OP are minorities, (Drag, Muslims and gay people) is there some other example that better represents the point you are trying to make? The other example you used, Pikeys, are also a minority.

  Rather, people should grow up and stop being so easily offended...especially when it's financially beneficial for them. And will those do gooders stop being offended on behalf of those NOT offended.

  Fortunately, you don't get to dictate how someone else feels about your choice of words, has nobody ever tried to tell you how you feel about something and got it wrong? The fact that some members of a minority aren't offended by something doesn't allow you to assume that an entire group of people feel exactly the same way.

  I'm not sure what you mean about financial benefit, this seems to be a new point you are raising.

  As I previously pointed out it isn't about offense.

  As for evidence..............wow...............how much do you want?

  You haven't produced any evidence so far so...

  ...no one can accuse me of being a bigot......my ethnicity and family is melting pot stuff.

  You are the one complaining about feeling restricted in what you can say about minorities, so what do you want to call them?

  I hope this clears that up.

  Not really!
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  Sick of the nanny state. Polictical correctness can kiss my donkey!

  by punkofnice in

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  i am sick of this bloody nanny state here in the uk.

  political correcness has become a drag.

  (am i allowed to say drag without offending someone?).

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  Caedes

  I'd like to add that these PC do-gooders seem to have little sense of proportion and self-awareness. There was recently the case of that UCL professor sacked because of making a clumsy, sexist joke. Let that sink in: one of the country's leading academics has fallen foul of the PC gestapo and lost his job. In a sane world, this would have been sorted out with an apology and a handshake in 5 minutes.

  Well just to put you right over the one actual verifiable story in this whole thread, Sir Tim Hunt resigned from an honorary position, he was not sacked. His scientific work continues. So this apology and handshake, would that be to every single person that he undermined with his thoughtless comments? Stem subjects have a difficult enough time attracting female students without well respected members of the scientific community trying to discourage them further. It was entirely right that the university accepted his resignation from his honorary post.

  The rest of this thread is 'The Sun/UKIP we want the good old days' nonsense without one iota of evidence to suggest that people are really being persecuted for being offensive arseholes.

  I remember how prevalent racist, sexist and homophobic language was in the seventies and anyone who thinks that sort of language doesn't affect the real feelings of the minorities involved (no matter how little vitriol is attached) obviously has never really tried to empathise with people who are on the outskirts of society.

  Perhaps you should consider that society just doesn't want to hear the words you want to use about gays and muslims, it isn't that anyone is offended they just don't want to listen to you being a twat.

  If the biggest thing you can find to rebel against is that you don't like not being able to say what you like about minorities then you aren't paying enough attention to the news. How about rebelling against MPs giving themselves an 11% pay rise whilst freezing other public sector worker's pay?

  Considering the feelings of other members of society doesn't make you the PC gestapo, it makes you a nicer human being.
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

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  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  Caedes

  If you are claiming that jesus suffered because he was killed by the romans and thus god understands suffering and chose to suffer for three days to prove that point are you not forgetting that jesus asked why had god forsaken him. If even three days was too much you would think he might have learnt some empathy for the millions of years of suffering the rest of his creation had undergone.

  Whether you like it or not there is a gaping hole in your argument, this is not the same as me being angry with your god.
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  If They Stopped Shunning Tomorrow?

  by cofty in

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  imagine that the cult decided to stop shunning family members on the proviso that the dfd person was not actively trying to attack the cult.. (please don't debate whether or not this is likely - it's hypothetical).

  how would you respond to your family?.

  personally i think i would be less than cooperative.

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  Caedes

  If you choose to shun people yourself then how are you any better than they are? Having said that everyone's circumstances are unique and it is up to each person how they personally deal with it. Personally I would welcome anyone who decided to stop shunning regardless of whether they were a JW or not.
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  Atheist Miracles

  by Perry in

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  i reworded a variation of a common critique of atheists to my own liking.

  no, i do not hate atheists, i love them!

  they keep me from getting bored.

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  Caedes

  I love the fact that as soon as people start poking holes in Perry's arguments he runs for the hills only to return a month later with exactly the same post hoping people have short memories. Perry you are such a silly bird.
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  Atheist Miracles

  by Perry in

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  i reworded a variation of a common critique of atheists to my own liking.

  no, i do not hate atheists, i love them!

  they keep me from getting bored.

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  Caedes

  I will disagree with the professor because there is no struggle between science and the supernatural. The simple fact is that science cannot deal with the supernatural since by definition the supernatural is things outside of nature for which we have no empirical evidence. Science only deals in things we have empirical evidence for or things for which we think empirical evidence can be found.

  So there is no struggle against the supernatural, science does not compel scientists to materialism simply because the the material world is the only thing we can study empirically. You can't say that we are forced to material explanations since there are no other explanations that provide us with empirical evidence. I note that no example is given of case where a "non- material" explanation is in any way useful or explanatory let alone more useful or explanatory than a empirical materialist answer.

  It is not that science cannot allow a divine foot in the door, it is that we require a divine footprint we can measure, and as ever anything supernatural evades any hint of measurability.

  The counter-intuitiveness of the material world (I would also argue that is an indication of our own lack of understanding rather than anything 'wrong' with science) is irrelevant to the question of any supposed conflict between science and the supernatural.
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  Atheist Miracles

  by Perry in

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  i reworded a variation of a common critique of atheists to my own liking.

  no, i do not hate atheists, i love them!

  they keep me from getting bored.

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  Caedes

  Perry's pidgeon is cutting and pasting for the lord again I see.
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  Since man is unable to create life does this mean

  by Crazyguy in

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  does this mean possible a creator did or does exist.

  there is plenty of evidence of a slow evolutionary changes over millions of years and i do not disagree with this.

  but again that fact that mankind can not create a living creature from scratch mean there must be a creator?

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  Caedes

  http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23266-craig-venter-close-to-creating-synthetic-life.html#.VUoNAY1wa70

  I think we may be discussing the stable door whilst the horse is enjoying himself in the next field over. If you read the very short article it's pretty clear that this guy has been there and done that already. He is just waiting to publish his results.
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  The poor and deprived life of JW children.

  by Esse quam videri in

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  i find it hard to believe that adults on this forum make such a big deal about not celebrating birthdays, x-mas, easter, halloween, etc, etc, etc.

  i grew up as a jw kid and it actually made me feel good, being different from the other kids in school.

  we went to meetings.

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  Caedes

  I was forced to return books to the library if my parents didn't like the look of them. I took to just reading them while at the library instead. Anything science fiction or fantasy was likely to get rejected. Eventually I used to pick up some books for approval and would hide anything I knew wasn't going to get past the censors. My parents are from the UK so it's not just the US that has a problem with fundamentalism.

  The main issue as the OP shows is the fact that not all JW kids had the same experience, I knew one family whose kids looked like the stepped out of the forties, they had a horrible time at home and at school and they just looked miserable. I know that other kids that had it better than me and seemed to cope quite well.

  It's just stupid to assume that your own experience as a child of JWs is going to be the same as everyone else's. The OP's mistake is to denigrate the experience of others simply because his experience was different.
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  Scientific Proof that Evolution is NOT Scientific!

  by Nicola.threeangelsmessage in

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  bruce malone, an outstanding scientist has absolute scientific proof that evolution is not scientific!.

  bruce, a leading researcher for dow chemical for 30 years; he is one of the top 100 inventors eighteen of his inventions raised millions of dollars; and has a b.s.

  degree in chemical engineering.

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  Caedes

  Evolution is NOT scientific????

  Tell me something I don't know......

  Well you clearly don't know anything about science or evolution, shall we start there?